Earlier this week, at the end of a particularly exhausting workday, I wheeled my bike out the back door of the shop, turned out the lights, closed the door, and pedaled in the general direction of dirt. I didn’t have a set target in mind, just knew that I needed some downtime to decompress, sort out the chaos in my head, incinerate a few endorphins, hopefully even take a break at a silent overlook. All in the name of recharging the spirit within.
The closest trailhead is less than a mile away and my most frequent objective: Getting onto dirt ASAP tops all else, usually. But as I approached Highway 340 I could see a line of cars stretching all the way back to Riverside Parkway, all lined up to turn left, all heading more or less for that same trailhead. I aborted that plan and stuck to the bike path awhile longer, thinking I could head up Miramonte—a less used entrance only a little further away—but heavy traffic deflected me away from there, too. So as the bike path ran out I found myself merging onto Little Park Road.
LPR is fairly steep as roads go in these parts. I’ve climbed it literally hundreds of times in the 20 years I’ve lived nearby. It used to be my preferred training ground, then when racing ended it became the quickest way of getting to some of the lesser used trails. That would be it’s purpose yesterday. As I labored up the grade, breath ragged and sweat stinging my eyes, I was passed by a virtually endless stream of diesel dualies, #vanlifers, and mini motorhomes, seemingly all with a pile of bikes hanging off their back ends. Shards of music pierced the air as each motored past, puffs of cigarette and dope smoke escaped the windows, there was even a (potentially unrelated?) stereotypical Red Bull can in the gutter adjacent to the steepest bit.
Given that it was 5 p.m. on a weekday I had no good reason to expect any of this to be different. People—you, me, us —have been blowing off steam after work since forever. But something about this day really made it obvious that the demographic that is “mountain bike users” has changed, shifted. My hope is that there still exist people who use bicycles to get out, get away, to find silence and solace in the mountains and the woods. I know that they must exist, I just don’t ever seem to cross paths with them no matter how far out I go. Thus their existence remains hypothetical and seems less likely by the day, as each successive ride shows more evidence of shredding endurbros skidding into corners and cheater-line creating (and maintaining) dolts veering off the trail and through sensitive soils — all in the name of shaving a few seconds so that their name climbs higher on an online list populated by similar miscreants.
When did we become this crowd? How are these actions in any way morally defensible? Has our demographic gone completely batshit in the past few years, selling our soul in exchange for a map that no longer shows us the way?
These were the questions swimming through my head as I did, eventually, find a sliver of silence and solace on last night’s ride. I can’t say that I discovered any answers—I don’t even think I’m yet asking the right questions—but I did, in that one silent moment spent catching my breath while overlooking the Gunnison River, draw one solid conclusion:
We are failing.
Failing to educate new riders on etiquette.
Failing to criticize the actions of fellow riders.
Failing to listen when they criticize us.
Our trails are being systematically shredded—yes, by skidding endurbros, straightlining shuttle monkeys, and shortsighted stravassholes. And by an industry that “sells” the sport largely by glorifying the above abusers. But also by you, and by me, by remaining complicit in the shadows and not saying “enough.”
Please note that in every way here I have said “we” and “our” and “us,” because while it’s easy to point a finger and place blame on others, doing so solves nothing. The problem is us as a user group. Ignorance is ruining the trails: Whether we’re actively doing the damage or standing idly by and letting it happen, we’re all to blame.
Riding bikes is something I’ve done my whole life. In ways big and small, intentional and not, bikes have defined the trajectory of my time on earth. I wouldn’t change that for anything.
Not to say that I don’t have regrets—I do. I regret that our sport hit the mainstream doing 100 mph and totally unprepared for the havoc that was about to be wrought. That our trails are being flooded by people who don’t understand what it took to get said trails, nor what it takes to keep them, nor do they seem to care. Mostly I regret that we don’t have the infrastructure to educate these people—not that many of them would listen.
What I would do, given a time machine and the ability to change the conversation in some meaningful way, is to slip back in time and plant some sort of a seed of understanding — some way of grasping what was coming—in the mind of someone influential in the sport 20 years ago. A John Tomac or Juli Furtado or Don Cuerdon or even—gasp_Zapata Espinoza. Maybe they could have done, or said, or pushed for something that would change the reality of where we are right now.
I don’t know exactly what I would say to them then. Nor does it matter now. Our sport has fundamentally changed, leaped the tracks you might even say, and nothing short of a wholesale reckoning is going to change that. Whatever words I might have conjured then would and do ring utterly hollow today, as we veer recklessly toward an unsustainable future.
I think most of us have been in denial about this wave of change even as it steamrolls our beloved local trails. It’s time to move on to acceptance—recognizing that the problem is real and not going away—so that we might begin to think about and craft a long-term plan. The biggest focus of such a plan would be on education, and specifically on recognizing that just getting people outdoors is no longer enough—you have to prepare them to behave appropriately and respectfully, toward both the land and each other, once out there.
I know better than to think that this little essay is going to be widely read. Nor do I believe that it will open the eyes of many who read it. But if it only reaches a few, and if a handful of those point the finger at themselves in recognization of the fact that we’re all to blame for our current state, then maybe we can begin to gain momentum toward a more sustainable future.
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i’m not a biker, but i feel your pain. snowboarding went through the same thing 15-20 years ago. but fortunately the growth doesn’t last forever and most of these people will move onto the next fad outdoor activity (rock climbing?), ruin that culture, then move on
This is an excellent, thought provoking essay, and hit close to home for me. I am a Southern California cyclist but my son attended Colorado Mesa University, so I have spent my vacations over the last few years riding both my road and mountain bikes through this area and I can say that it is an incredible place to ride. I hope Chris’ reply above comes true because I think the only real solution is for the overall numbers to decrease and leave the people that are more passionate about, and dedicated to, the sport.
It’s everywhere – you’re not cool if you aren’t extreme. 1950’s – explore off road in a Jeep with virtually no real suspension just to get out and see things. Now – we struggle to get away from the 80 mph off-road race cars burying us in dust. Same for motorcycles – gone are the TL250’s, everything is a motocross bike and all that’s posted are jumps and extreme berm shredding. Being “extreme” and getting the rad IG post are more important than preservation and sustainable trail use. The glorification of those activities and likes on IG posts are going to drive that culture for a long time. No advice, just a griping agreement.
I understand the etiquette issues but I really think your an old guy whose prime has long since passed and the sun has already set. What do you think the hikers thought in 80s when you were ripping down hiking path on your rigid mtb and rutting them to hell. Things evolve and not always for the best, but the type of bike has nothing to with it. I don’t get the hate of “endurbros”(read millenials) , who seem to be the bane of your gatekeeper hipster existence. It seems you think that anyone who buys a certain type of mountain bike is then defined by it as a person and therefore must act a certain way. I am an individual not an extension of a marketing campaign. If you HAVE to be defined by your 2 wheeled human powered object then thats on you and I truly feel sorry that you lead such a pitiful existence. People fall into the trap of letting their identity be defined by an object or interest. Yes I am passionate about riding my bike and care about the trail ecology, but at then of the day, I’d be the same person with the same morals & values without my 180mm rear travel 190mm front travel trail shredding Gnar-mobile Your meek holier than though shtick only alienates people that you would wish to change. But not that you’ll listen anyway-right? I guess me and my “endurbro” or people that race downhill/shuttle monkeys who intravenously inject redbull or freebase Monster are scourge of the sport and shouldn’t use trails or take part in build days because we’ve already ruined your quaint ride by merely daring to exist on your mountain, plus I’m probably to high to ride anway. Look at where this sport began, a bunch of old hippies hucking themselves down Repack. It seems the sports attitude is finally getting back to its roots!! Sounds like the trail-riders dropped the ball by not starting a community back in the day to maintain the trails and sat idly by wondering why the problem isn’t fixing itself or miracously getting better. Maybe try something first before just shouting into the darkness and hoping to hear your echo.
How likely are you to have listened to a single word I wrote? No one likes being attacked or maligned for their interests or hobby and Id venture most dont fit into a stereotype. All that being said I agree there is an issue, many 2nd or 3rd generation riders have grown up using these trails and don’t have a memory of them not existing and some may falsely assume they will always be there. Some don’t understand that they are a natural resource that needs to be maintained and above all respected and shared equally as a community resource. Many of those may not of had direct guidance from a 1st generation rider telling them the lay of the land as no community was in place. You NEED to establish a community. Get to know riders on the trail, bring people together. This is going to be a local community based effort. I would start a club for the local trails, hold monthly meetings, get some structure in place and work days, post signs at the trail head with easy to understand rules, ie no new routes, what comes in must go out, no speakers on bikes,enjoy the serenity of the natural surroundings, RESPECT EACHOTHER etc . Raise money to buy some kids Mtb’s and helmets and put on a MTB safety course for new and young riders that teach them riding techniques and establish respect for nature and trail etiquette. Make trashcans are easily accessible near parking. Its going to be diy bootstrapping campaign but if enough people get behind it things can change for the better. Communities tend to bring people together and its easier to self police in an environment where everyone is part of a community and are there for the same reason: TO RIDE BIKES!! There are still popular trail systems in the world that haven’t fallen apart because of the advent of the endurbro’s, heck towns like Bentonville, AR have realized they can benefit finacially from the rise in mtb popularity by making there town a mtb destination and that has bolstered their economy.
Love,
ENDURBRO4LYFE
Ever picked up a shovel “Clark”? Doubt it. Or a dictionary? Not sure what finacially means???
I couldn’t read it all either. Ever heard of “precis”?
Ridiculously long reply. Legit intent within first 9 lines. Fell asleep after.
Well you completely missed the OPs point..
this essay is ridiculous. who are you, mike, to decide how other people choose to ride their bikes? they want to enjoy riding their bikes in any way they can don’t you? your way of riding a bike doesn’t have to be the same as other people’s. your way is not better or more morally correct than other peoples. the mountain bike industry changes all the time like any industry. this is like seeing a new, complex iphone and saying that it’s wrong that people don’t use less capable phones anymore. mind your own business and let people doll ride how they want. disclaimer: littering red bull cans is bad and stupid for anyone but most bikers i know respect the environment
I hear ya. While I don’t ride much anymore, the same can be said about hikers/hiking. I think in general people are doing more outdoors stuff for a variety of reasons, some good, probably mostly bad (I’m thinking about social media idiocy here). These new people don’t understand etiquette AT ALL, or like you wrote about what it takes to get trails/access/parks and the maintenance that goes into them. Their ignorance disgusts me. There are days I don’t go out to the closest places because I just can’t deal with these assholes.
Yeah no kidding. I agree! We are hiking in Utah right now and we shared a parking lot with mountain bikers. And as they we unloading their bikes and shouldering gear the foul aggressive-male-bantering among them could be heard by all. Things like “who ‘s gonna suck my “d__k later?” On and on….15 minutes of aggressive-male behavior! So ignorant & disrespectful. Being a crappy human has nothing to do with age, generation, code, religion or creed…just core rotten behavior.
So did they ever figure out who was going to do the sucking?
Toxic masculinity also has nothing to do with whether someone enjoys biking, running, hiking, or any other type of sports or activities. The world is full of a$$holes. I’ve encountered tons of mountain bikers and none ever used that kind of language. It’s no more correct for me to argue that mountain bikers must all be saints because of my limited experiences.
Is already happening with rock climbing I am afraid and has been for a number of years with popular climbing spots becoming trashed, guess we will end up swopping our arseholes with yours
I’ve been MTB riding for around 25 yrs.
People were riding for fast times and cutting corners and avoiding technical routes forever. It’s not new.
We are just on a wave of popularity that may fade and hopefully leave behind a lot of great trails in the wake.
I disagree. People use to learn, overtime, why you don’t cut the trail and would become better trail stewards. Now, it’s unacceptable to teach decent. It’s our culture! From restraunt service, food service, to new mtbrs, the newer people don’t give af. We are teaching this!
It seems like you started mountain biking around the time that I quit for the same reasons. In around 1996, I was living in Santa Monica, when the trails at the local access points began to look like ski runs, I just stopped and began trail running as you could run on trails the bikes we’re not allowed to.
After a 25 year break and now living in Vermont, I bought a new bike and the oddessey continues. The forest is quiet and empty. It’s just like the olden days.
I appreciate (and can certainly relate to) the author’s pain and distress related to the increasing popularity of MTB. However, I don’t think it is realistic to expect all the other MTBers to behave and conduct themselves the way you want. Also, as society changes and the population grows, these hobbies and sports will culturally change, also. If you go about expecting everyone around you to validate your sensibilities and aesthetic preferences, you are going to have a frustrating time with life, or at least understanding people. At the same time, more education is needed so we don’t destroy our trails, as a practical matter.
If you are having this experience like the one the author mentioned, it may be time to live or at least bike in an area where there are less people. I have been a mountain biker for almost 30 years, and from my perspective, the sport hasn’t really changed that much. I am still getting a ton of exercise, some big hits of adrenaline, and hanging with friends in beautiful environments. If anything has changed, I am able to ride more technical stuff with six inches of front and back travel, hydraulic breaks, and wide, luggy tires. 30 years ago I was having basically the same amount of fun on what was essentially a road bike frame with wide range gearing, caliper brakes and skinny, mildly lugged tires!
The point is, don’t worry so much what others are doing. If you need to get to where the masses aren’t so they aren’t distracting from your experience, then go do it. Look to the trees, weather and mountains to validate who you are and create your experience.
Written like someone who has never built a trail nor done a day of maintenance, beyond assuming his wheels are some sort of magic trail balm. This ISN’T a style question.
Half of this author’s beef IS about style (see complaint of what people drive up to the trail).
The destroyed trails are another issue… Obviously we shouldn’t destroy trails, and that takes educating other users as well as putting in our time with maintenance. Some areas have more of an issue with this than others; I think its a bit presumptuous for the author to project his experience onto the sport in general.
Thanks for the condescending remarks about not doing trail maintenance. I take it you do a lot of trail maintenance and that somehow entitles you to make snide comments like this one? DICK
Only trail builders can have opinions on the matter.
“If you go about expecting everyone around you to validate your sensibilities and aesthetic preferences, you are going to have a frustrating time with life, or at least understanding people… The point is, don’t worry so much what others are doing”
So just let people get away with being ignorant and ruining things for everyone? I know you said that more education is needed, but your whole attitude seems milquetoast and with a preference for ignoring the problem rather than trying to solve it.
If they were doing their own thing in isolation then you would be right, but their behavior actively effects everyone around them. By your logic, why care about people who litter? Or who graffiti and vandalize?
I couldn’t agree more this guy seems like the kind of elitist jerk that cursed the disabled MTBer for riding his “E-Bike” on the trails. You want silence don’t go outside to a place where a sport as big as MTBing is taking place. Take your self serving ego to church and preach to them. You sound like your holding on to some bull crap former glory day that never existed to begin with! Guess what eMTB’s are coming, the younger generation is here, rude people exist, etc… and the presence of said young people are what’s gonna keep this sport alive and evolving why??? Cause it’s their money going into the bikes, and trails too! Not just yours! So come off your high horse and stop complaining go live your life and be happy you can even enjoy the trails instead of condemning people for wanting the same EXACT thing! SMH you Karen types have taken over and your so egotistical you don’t realize you are the problem not everyone else!
Now you know the pain us old fly fishermen have endured for years.
Tschüs
So…. You’re butt hurt bc the sport has evolved and people enjoy mtn biking in different ways than you and are faster than you?
Check.
Thanks…. bro.
I’m confused what the heck he’s referring to
Your comment is the reason why this article was written. If you don’t get it, then you are one of the few who won’t help keep the trails and sport at their finest. Maybe you should read it again….
Mark – where I live in metro Detroit, the scene is completely opposite. We’ve tons of urban mtb trails to choose from, one of my faves is accessed weekly from just rolling down my driveway……Do I encounter Stravatards? sure, but that’s the exception to the rule. Perhaps your local scene is just way too overloaded to allow you the freedom that so many of us who don’t live in the ‘mecca-zones’, blissfully pedal away by ourselves in a singletrack urban nirvana….perhaps it’s time to move back to the city where the riding is free again?
Well written article all around. I can relate on so many levels. I use to escape and unwind on the trails, then switched to road riding on quiet desert roads in West Texas. Years later, I worked as a demo driver for a popular mountain bike manufacturer and saw every bro-brah you could imagine. Often times, I was faced with the decision to cancel an event due to weather, which was typically faced with selfishness and anger from retailers and consumers alike – though I would undoubtedly be contributing to the damage of their trails. The education and infracture just isnt there. It’s all about shredding the gnar, railing berms and hitting the gaps – and less about being outdoors and/or in the mountains, woods, etc.
All in all, I’ve since traded in the MTB for a gravel bike and focus heavily on long distance trail running. I’ve found it to be much more pure, and people far more like what mountain biking was at its prime.
The same thing happened with surfing as the popularity increased so does the chocked up full line ups of people who want a slice of the pie and there is only so much to go around the frenzied, foam at the mouth hoards of people that will forget etiquette if it means they can get a slice of the ever decreasing pie, so what started as a innocent escape to the wilderness and adriealine hunters high becomes destroyed by its own popularity, blame population blame the media and Tecno age we live where we aren’t content just to experience but we have to brag via Instagram Facebook there I. Lies the problem
I love that you wrote this. You are SO right. I’m a hiker, and I can’t even enjoy it because mountain bikers have no idea what the trail etiquette is. Just today a bike came up behind me, expected me to jump out of his way, then informed me with attitude that there were 9 more riders to come. Turns out it was a class that was taking over the trail. I’m still irked lol. So again, thank you for this. I’m glad there are riders out there that get it! Oh and ps- when riders come flying down a trail, hikers are forced to trample vegetation to not get hit. The riders never says thing.
Michelle, as a hiker and a mountain biker ( 76 years old and doing both for a long , long time ), the rider tells you that 9 more are coming as a favor. He may not have asked you to move in a nice way and that is a different issue but , riders, it’s just great when you let the hiker know that more are coming.
I have to agree. Saw it happening in Aspen and surrounding areas. Ski lift access downhill biking needs to stay in the ski areas.
Wow this hit the nail on the head! It’s 2020 now and still no change. As someone who experienced the heyday of skateboarding in the 80s, rock climbing and mountain biking in the early 90s, I have seen each of these sports hit mainstream. Like an unstoppable force of millennial carelessness sweeping across the landscape. I’ve recently got the urge to ride again after years off. I recently restored my 92 Rockhopper and my 96 Fisher and while I am excited to ride again, I am struggling to find joy in this activity because everything you mentioned has been my experience as well. It just adds to my overall disappointment of the times we are living in.
Thank You.
Alright, here is the deal. Like you said Mike, Mountain biking HAS changed, HAS evolved. However, the so call “etiquette” and trail “rules”, really HAVE NOT evolved. Example, back when the whole climbing up rider has preference over a downhill riding rider etiquette was created, bikes couldn’t do what what bikes can do today. It is 1000 times easier today for an average rider to ride 10 times faster down a trail because of what bikes have evolved to today. It is much easier to point down and let the bike do its “job”. Because of this change which that old etiquette never took into account, it is not possible nor sustainable to continue and expect the enforcement of such etiquette. The circumstances have changed, and thus rules and etiquette much also change and evolve. Because of what a modern long travel dual suspension bike can do today, the etiquette must be modified to take this into consideration. Because of the fact that when you are riding down a slope you will ride as fast as you possibly can, btw this point is NOT debatable, you can’t put “speed limits” or stupid stuff like that on the trails. Just like no roadie biker will be stopped by the cops because he is riding his bicycle 30mph on a 15mph. You can’t regulate a MTB biker to a certain speed in any trails, that is just a stupid idea.
And so, taking this into consideration, the etiquette must be updated and take into account the PHYSICS of riding. Just like when a Car must yield to a Freight train, because of simple physics which state that a train cannot stop as quickly as a car can. A rider blasting down a trail on a modern bike, will not be able to stop nor move as easily as a rider climbing up. All a climbing rider has to do is put one foot down and lean towards the side. This take less than 0.5 seconds. The down riding rider should reduce speed, to safely pass but cannot be forced to stop. If you force to stop a down riding biker than you too are eroding and creating excessive ware and tare on the trails by most likely having the high speed average rider skid over the trails to try and come to a full stop. You can’t make this work anymore, that etiquette is obsolete and you can’t even physically enforce it because of how bikes have evolved and the speeds that now the average rider can ride at. It is UNSAFE to even think that you are forcing a down riding biker to come to a full stop the second they see a rider coming up the trail. Again, the down riding biker will instinctively slow down, so make a safe pass, if you get kissed because they didn’t stop, then you are stupid and you should stop riding if you can’t adapt to the evolution of the sport. Today, physics is what guides etiquette. Not just an opinion of who should do what. The rider who exerts the least amount of energy to move out of the way, is the one who MUST yield. Because it is SAFER. It is just like math, it’s very clear and transparent. It is not being an asshole, it is following what physics dictates as SAFER, whether you like it or not. Climbing riders shall yield to down riding bikers, and down riding biker shall slow down to safely pass a climbing rider. You don’t like this? Then go back on your time machine and ride back then. Today, this is the rule. Thanks.
Jonathan-
If you’re trolling, you’re doing an excellent job.
If you’re serious, I think you’re drawing some flawed conclusions. And your conclusions are certainly not the rule, nor even in consideration.
Because the bikes are more capable does not change the rules. If anything, because bikes are capable of such great speeds and control it is even more incumbent upon the rider to be aware of and able to stop on a dime — you never know who, or what, is just over that rise or around that blind corner.
Also, because of the increased control afforded by suspension and tires, it is easier than ever for riders to stop when descending. And there’s no reason for them to do otherwise.
Mike, you had me until you replied to Jonathon and said that there’s no reason descending riders shouldn’t stop for ascenders. Maybe you don’t enjoy going fast, or maybe you’re hidebound by the old rules, but safety should prevail. And not just safety, respect. The reason that almost all of us ride is to achieve a sense of flow in the outdoors, and descending is single most important aspect of that – to ask that a fellow biker interrupt that so that I can continue my climb unabated is ridiculous. I would never ask someone to interrupt their descent because ‘it’s the old etiquette’ – it is simply too disrespectful. I know why they are there, and I respect that. To do otherwise just makes you a complete asshole.
And just to be clear, I don’t have a Strava account.
I *often* yield to descending riders — especially when I’m solo and they are a bigger group. This minimizes erosion (one foot down instead of many) and — as you’ve pointed out — it keeps them flowing down the hill.
That said, this is a courtesy that I (and others) extend situationally. It’s not a mandate, *it’s our prerogative*, and if I’m on a steep and/or techy bit where stopping my progress means I’m going to have to walk, or go back down to try again, then I reserve the right to carry on. Which means the time-tested rules of downhill traffic yielding apply.
If someone comes charging down at me and makes no effort to stop, at the barest minimum they’re getting an earful as they pass. The Rules of the Trail have not been rescinded because of your entitlement delusions.
Doesn’t this discussion beg for directional trails?
To me, no — because I don’t think you can legislate common sense nor respect.
It’s interesting in the Essay that a discussion point is brought up about failing to listen to criticism and yet the standard stalwart “these were our rules and they’ll stay the rules” is brought up. I’ve been on steep bi-directional descents on extemely loose rock and realized “I’m in it, because there’s no way I can stop”. All I could do is slow down marginally without crashing, and the upward bound riders knew this and yielded. And, they were walking. It was really steep. Oddly, the trail was for bicycles only, but there were people on horses coming up the trail too…and they weren’t happy about us but there’s no way they could see our perspective.
I have to share my local trails with equestrian, hunters, hikers, runners, dog walkers, hand cyclists, kids doing stunts, families going for their first real off road ride and more. It is an amazing way to use the public state park where I am and I love it. Everyone has to share and be aware of everyone else.
I come up on people all the time that don’t know what they are doing. It is easy, way too easy to forget what it is like to experience that first moment of excitement and exhilaration you get when you first start riding. How easy it can be to tackle something that is way beyond your skill level because YOU JUST DON’T KNOW, and get seriously hurt.
I never see any skills clinics or lessons being offered by the skilled long time riders. When people get up the courage to ask for help, people do respond, but a sentence or two that often doesn’t make sense to someone that doesn’t yet UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE. I’ve never seen any veteran of the sport in this area offer to do free skills clinics on a regular basis. The standard response is “just get with a group” which comes off as “go away I want to ride” to someone who is new to it all.
There is ninjaskills or something that comes through on occasion. But isn’t that the antithesis of zen you are looking for? They’re building up people to tame the features, beat the Personal Records, get some sick footage for youtube, etc. But not about understanding the balance of the forest and the trail, not about the balance of wildlife and our place in it, not about the balance of a good workout versus the the mental challenge of the technical features versus just a relaxing ride where you breathe in the air and you really notice how it is different in every area of the forest, or how the light and vegetation changes as you ride?
Anwar Sadat said ”He who cannot change the very fabric of his thought will never be able to
change reality, and will never, therefore, make any progress”.
I do penetration testing for a living and have the same problem with people trying to do testing and security in general. I see tons of “experts” sitting around talking about how stupid these other people are. But the truly great ones are out there putting out advice and knowledge for free…because it is ridiculously hard to get started, veterans forget and romanticize their own beginnings, and classes are often total shit. I started and run a meetup group that I pay for myself specifically targeted at beginners where once a month or so we get together and just do hands on keyboard challenges. No class, no lecture, but I will talk about the theory, approach and tools, but the main focus is on them actually working through it themselves. everyone helps everyone else out. It isn’t great, but several have gained enough knowledge from there to really get started and get jobs in the field. its fun, non-judgmental, and a great way for people trying it to learn new skills, learn it isn’t flash and magic, and starts to build new talent in the field.
With mountain biking, i’m learning. Have TONS to learn. I don’t know enough to ask the right questions or even understand the answers. a friend of mine was talking about drive-trains this weekend and I had to spend an hour or two looking up the differences in the terms for the chain rings, cassettes, teeth, etc. Mechanically I always saw it as a diameter/torque problem but bikers put it in terms of number of teeth. I had to figure out how to translate that. it wasn’t really easy. I’m watching youtubers like Seth, Alex, Brian, Phil and others to figure out how to do the basics and learn how to get through more advanced features safely. There are trail days here I go out for to do maintenance. Its fun to talk and put something back into the trails I get so much out of. You learn a little as you go too.
But I’m now working on building some skills props to do somethings that are either just too big in the park or that I really need to work on repetitively.
Its also been a very expensive and painful process to learn how to evaluate myself as being ready for a particular type of ride, and how to evaluate the trail conditions as well. Maybe sounds pretty stupid, but I always want to push myself physically, and knowing when I’m either too tired or not mentally ready, and when the trails are too slick or dusty for certain things has been pretty important. Things you take for granted many people new to the sport just don’t know.
If you want change, reach out and do something, make it easy and approachable. You might be genuinely surprised at how many of those people you are frustrated with share your same ideals, they just lack guidance, direction, perspective, and someone experienced to talk to.
Hi Mike,
Well if you think that challenging your upholding of outdated etiquette is trolling, then that’s fine by me and by all the rest of my fellow riders.
The fact, even pointed out in your own post, is that mountain biking HAS changed. But you continue to try and uphold etiquette created decades ago, before there was even a single dual suspension bike.
This is no different than trying to enforce 1930’s work laws in today’s work force, or 1930’s tax law in today’s tax law.
Laws/regulations/guidelines must change and evolve together with the industry/market/customer.
Mountain bike is no different.
You say I have arrived at flawed conclusions, PROVE it Mike. In my post I explained and gave you concrete verifiable examples of why I am saying what I am saying. And it is independent of whether I exist or not. I am pointing out a universal truth, not just voicing an opinion.
And I will repeat it in case u haven’t understood it completely.
It is physically easier and safer for a climbing rider to step off the trail, than it is for a rider blasting down the trail to come to a complete stop.
You can’t control how big the brakes, how new the tires, how big of a suspension, every rider has, and this is why you cannot assume that every rider can stop as quickly and efficiently as you point out.
Even if you have the best bike with best components in the world, a rider riding up the hill will always be able to INSTANTLY put down a foot and lean to the side of the trail. And the downhill riding biker will always need a long distance to come to a complete stop.
It is these facts that make it evident and true that the person on who the BIGGEST responsibility lies to give right of way, is that one which exerts the least amount of effort to avoid a collision. This is the climbing rider.
Also take into consideration that a climbing rider has additional advantages. A climbing rider can hear a downhill riding rider coming down the trail. A downhill rider cannot physically hear anything riding up because of wind noise.
A climbing rider should be responsible for being aware of the surroundings at all times because they are going slow and have the ability to instantly stop, they can hear much more far ahead. But it requires you paying attention.
On the downhill riding biker, the responsibility is to know that there is a possibility that rindiera are coming up the hill. So they need to be ready to slow down to safely pass a climbing rider.
But NEVER to be forced and actually come to a complete stop.
It really is common sense, but since you don’t really seem to care about that, and all you do is show nostalgia for 30 year old etiquette. I can see you are very capricious at wanted to evolve, adapt and change your old ways.
Cheers
You yield to uphill riders because it’s way harder to start again on a techy uphill than it is on techy descent. This is not a terribly difficult concept to grasp. I race enduro for a living and I’ve figured it out… Obviously if the trail allows everyone to keep moving that is preferable. And if I’m on a non-technical climb and won’t have trouble re-starting I will happily yield for descending riders. But the rule exists for a reason and it’s not out-dated. This comment section has me banging my head on a wall.
I’m with you Jonathan. When climbing, I yield to the riders coming down as they’re carrying speed and I don’t want to stop their fun (I also look forward to taking a break from a grinding climb).
I’ve been riding since ’85 and have seen a lot of changes. Physics and the evolution of the sport/bikes have caused me to change my etiquette. I ride with a bell and slow down for hikers and climbing cyclists, but I’m not stopping unless necessary.
There are other precautions I apply, such as not planning a super-fast descent on a weekend morning when droves of hikes will be on my favorite trails. Respect runs BOTH ways and I move to the side the other are not occupying. There are, of course, exceptions and case-by-case situations, but most of the time we can yield to each other and not stop. A friendly “hello” or other kind gesture goes a long way.
Sounds like a good
Line of thinking for a bike park. Sounds like idiocy in terms of a mixed use trail.
Congratulations, you Represent the Core reason hikers don’t like mountain bikers.
So by extension all trail users must yield to downhill mtb?
Do riders coming down the trail use bells anymore? That to me would be the proper etiquette. To give the riders/hikers to make a hole and be safe.
I like how you think when you’re blasting DH you can just stop. I’ve hit over 40mph on a flow trail at Windrock Bike Park and even with 203mm rotors front and rear and 4 Piston Shimano Saints and all the weight over the rear, it still takes a good 40 feet to stop. The reality is that the sport has changed, and whether you like it or not it’s here to stay. I would like to see you bomb it down a Blue rated DH trail on a rental DH and see just how fast and difficult it is to stop in the period of time you want us to. People like you ruin the sport, i’ve never had an issue with these “stravatards and endurbros” Likely these guys have more riding skill that you. Each person rides for a different reason, and if you cannot accept that I think you should hang the bike up for a season or two. The industry and sport changed, nothing will stay the same and the sport will continue to change.
Mike is talking about multi-use trails, not bike parks – bomb all you want there! BTW he’s a super-talented cyclist (among other things) and I’d be surprised if you could keep up, 40 mph flow trail Saint brakes and all 😉
Do you know that downhill traffic is REQUIRED to yield to uphill traffic by land management agencies (you know, those government entities that create our multi-use trails – but don’t have to do so, and will quit if it becomes a problem because of ignorance, injuries, and lawsuits). Do you know that cyclists are REQUIRED to yield to hikers/runners, and all MUST yield to equestrians? We’re last in line SaintsBrakes, and it’s The Law. Please know what you’re talking about before posting, it’s a bad look otherwise.
Maybe it’s not people like Mike who are ruining the sport…just sayin’
I like how think that because you can hit 40mph, you no longer have a responsibility to brake in time to not hit the 70 year old couple taking an afternoon walk around the next blind turn. And yes, if you need 40 feet to brake, then it is incumbent upon you to factor that into your descents so that you can brake in time to yield to all up hill traffic. That basically means slow down and stop being selfish. Welcome to living in a society.
First off, I don’t think you understand the power of Shimano Saint Brakes, give em a google, definitely worth your time before you go tossing it around here and there like a joke. Regarding this whole etiquette on the trails, got a bit sidetracked, I was Referring to a bike park not a multiuse trail. In the case of a multiuse trail yes, I definitely agree that cyclists give way to equestrians, hikers. Sorry if it wasn’t clear. Now regarding Mike being faster than me 😐 I’d have to see it to believe it. But all things considered, now you put it that way, yeah I do agree about the multi use trails, but you’d be surprised just how many XC bros and hikers you see at a bike park going the wrong way.
Brandon,
Appreciate the reasonable attitude! I had Saint components when they first came out 15ish years ago on the first iteration of the SC Nomad which was my trail-bike before Enduro was a thing and we just needed big travel for the rough trails on the West Slope – so yes, I know. Maybe I’m exaggerating about Mike keeping up at this point (or myself for that matter), but experience often trumps youth and it would probably still be a good match and definitely a race “back in the day.” I understand about people in general ignoring trail etiquette and/or stated rules, that’s basically what this whole conversation is about! Spread the good word to follow the rules and our sport will have the opportunity to keep growing – and changing – in a responsible, respectful manner.
Later dude…
Jonathan—this. So much this.THANK YOU for saying this. Downhill riders yielding is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
We need to update our thought process and “etiquette.” And instead of complaining about “endurbros” just because their type of two-wheel fun is different than yours, maybe we need to unite as mountain bikers instead of quibbling amongst ourselves and fight to have as many bike-only trails as there are hiker-only.
And make them directional, so you don’t have yield conflicts, and it’s safer and more fun for everyone.
I’m trying to appreciate the author’s position, but really just sounds like someone voting against their own interests/sport.
p.s. I respect that you want to enjoy a mountain bike ride the way you do, but my point is that you shouldn’t force your idea of a fun ride on others, and criticize them for seeking adrenaline rather than solace. We should all be free to enjoy it the way we want, and if we have better trail access and a variety of trails built for bikes—from XC to downhill—we’ll all have more room and access to enjoy our style of riding. Let’s push for that instead of criticizing those members of our own sport who just enjoy it for different reasons. Not right or wrong, just different. We’re already a marginalized second-class user group in most places behind horses and hikers, let’s not make it worse by going after our own kind.
You make a great point Don — but I think you might be misconstruing my intentions.
For you to take away that I’m criticizing people for seeking adrenaline rather than solace is to only have grasped the intro to what I wrote. Don’t confuse the examples I gave — which are merely what got me thinking about this — for scapegoating.
If people can chase adrenaline while still adhering to the rules of the trail and not infringing on someone else’s right to enjoy the same trail at the same time, super — I’m all for it.
This is a pretty silly argument. If you are going downhill and you truck someone and put them in the hospital, you are absolutely going to get cited and lose any potential case and pay their hospital bill. Please tell me you understand that. Your ending line of “Today, this is the rule..” is just nonsense because it is not the rule and no authority is going to recognize that.. I’m just glad that as a trail runner you always have to yield to me in any scenario, since, you know, you aren’t a horse. And I tip my hat to all of the very respectful riders I see when I’m out running. 9 out of 10 times you guys are great and we all get along and share a collective smile. And for the record, if I’m struggling running up something steep and a downhill rider comes down, most of the time I move out of the way for them. That being said, I am willing to bet that if I was flying up that hill you wouldn’t even notice, you would just fly by me and push me off and then we’d have to have words.
The utter nonsense about modern bikes being able to go faster as justification for everyone else to have jump out of the way of those descending is disingenuous claptrap. Not to mention folk used to go really darned fast on ye olde world bikes. You just needed more skill to do so.
On an open bidirectional trail, you should never go faster than the distance you can see to safely stop in. Doing otherwise makes you a danger to others and a selfish jerk.
Plus the key reason for this particular etiquette is that restarting if going downhill is easy, just let go of brakes. Restarting when doing a difficult climb may be very difficult/impossible as you’ve lost that momentum that kept your traction and yourself going. It’s never too difficult to get going again on a trail that folk are trying to ride up, before anyone tries that lame excuse.
Another reason why the better bike argument is nonsense, is that it’s the rider, not the bike anyway. I’ve certainly had to wait behind many folk when riding my CX bike or my antique hard tail on local singletrack trails when they are on the latest fullsus machine and I’m not even a crazy fast downhiller. Overtaking such folk on my CX when going round a local trail centre, when the CX has skinny road tyres on is particularly satisfying. This also keeps your handling sharp, so when I ride my FS bike, I can go even faster. But I’m still giving way and being courteous to other trail users, even if I’m on for a KOM.
Jonathan I enjoyed reading your comment much more than the author of article. Both sides have a point but you argued yours much stronger. It makes sense. Times are a changing. Find a new sport or adapt.
The above is an ineffective justification for acting like a total arsehole. Great, you can descend faster.
You also have great brakes so not stopping if someone else is climbing is not an excuse provided you’re the caliber of rider who should be descending that way. Climbing is still tough. Slow down or stop and GTF out of the way.
You blaming physics for your lack of respect of other riders? The intent it to be aware of other riders on the trail and yield accordingly. If you want flat out find some one way trails.
That doesn’t make sense at all because said downhill riders need to be ready to slow and stop for hikers and other trail users. Part of being a good mountain biker is knowing how to skillfully brake to stop as fast as possible without skidding. If it’s biker only trail then your rule would totally be fine.
Jonathon—
There are places for the DH rider to get preference, it’s called a bike park. When the trails are open and designated directionally for mountain biking, go get it.
The rest of the areas we ride are just called parks, for all users. For us to earn our privilege to ride there, we have to keep our speed in check so we can not plow into a family hiking, equestrians, and uphill riders that actually don’t hear you. You obviously have never been a part of the battles to keep trails open for bikes or seen it when trails get closed because of people like you. If we are to keep our privelage to ride our bikes in the parks, these are the rules. If you don’t like them, find another sport or just stick to the bike parks.
Another idea, spend time working with Park management to try to develop directional bike only trails, get out there and build them with your hands, and spend money for materials. If you get them built after the years that would take, revel in your success and plow away on your DH with whatever speed you can handle and I will applaud you.
The uphill trail user rule predates mountain bikes and is used by motor cross riders, jeepers, and pretty much every other trail group. It’s part of the social contract we all agree to when we ride on the trails. It is really a take it or leave it situation. It’s what we have to agree with to get access to the trails. Ask any park/ open space/ land manager and that’s the answer you will get. It’s no different than stopping at a stop sign in your car. We all agree to certain rules so we don’t all crash and kill each other. Just because you might drive a Porsche doesn’t mean that you get to ignore red lights. Take your Porsche to a closed track and have at it, go 180, have fun. On open trails, you have to take it down a notch or every trail will have rangers with radar shutting us all down to 10mph because we have forced them to with reckless, selfish attitudes; or worse, they shut down the trails to bikes altogether.
Here, here. Well said Brent. If we cannot obey the rules for multi-use trails, we will surely lose access. All the bike tech in the world isn’t much fun without a place to ride it. Let’s be respectful out there.
Logic prevails when you’re stating this happens on pavement/trails/dirt/ for multi use access, two way beautiful areas we can cherish. Obviously the explosion of people everywhere in all areas of life has been a cumbersome burden, tech advancing ahead of sometimes courtesies or common sense. Physics requires caution, extreme sports even surfing has codes of line up. So does skiing, snowboarding, merging lanes. THE SAME PEOPLE WHO LOVE THE WILDS, ALL OF US have to share, which is hard sometimes. But we have to learn, relearn to keep using space, staying in our lanes. I am one who was hit on a trail riding and hit again by a group of bikers behind straw piles shooting action in a very safe ( I thought location ). Now I have to be smarter than a bear on a trail or a newbie on a group family ride. I did not give up, just change and learn. I am always learning and from all of you. I wish for one we could be kinder, support the blogs and have listening skills that we can adapt ( evolution ). Times are changing, tech is for sure and with this so must our attitude help each other….
So what you’re saying is “My bike has a ton of suspension, big tires, and slack geometry and going fast downhill is more fun than ever and faster, therefore, you must get out of my way? So public two way trails exist so you can “bomb” it as fast as possible?
I think this actually brings up a great point. The fact that modern big bikes are now at least sort of capable of going uphill has lead to a lot of overbiking in my opinion. This user’s whole opinion is “I bought a long travel trail/endure bike that’s more capable downhill than a ten year old DH bike, and I want to get full use out of it on every trail”. If they were riding something more reasonable for the trail it sounds like they’re on, say an over forked CX bike or dare I say a hardtail, they probably would be going a reasonable speed and having just as much fun. I bought an endure bike and realized that the bike was just more than I needed in the local trails. Meanwhile, switching to a single speed hardtail for the last year has led to me setting a climb and overall trail PRs at least once a week.
I agree 100%.
Basically saying, the right of way rules
Of the Multi use trail aren’t going to change, so choose your bike Accordingly to maximize the most fun within that context.
Or… go to a bike park.
As a hard tail XC rider, I have a blast on multi use trails keeping within the rules. I got into mountain biking through a love of hiking,
Not Red Bull championships and sky diving.
Agreed
Agree with Jonathan and Don. Times have changed. Trail access has changed. Populations have changed. Simple fact is those of us who do enjoy adrenaline over solace or a combination of both do seek it out. We chase the farthest trails with the least amount of people as often as possible. We go to ‘competitive’ tracks or trails where ‘slower yields to faster’ as often as possible. Unfortunately the trail respect is not always mutual. The author mentions alternate pathways, shortcuts, or side routes, failing to recognize that sometimes they are actually trail and terrain variations, not just shortcuts. Skidding is sometimes a byproduct of flat trails with no berms. People arguing about trail access or pirate trails forget that we all used to have every right to go anywhere we please. Try to be respectful of your fellow trail users wherever you are, but also try to enjoy yourself in your own way despite what some crotchety trail nazis might shout at you on your way by.
Well I agree but I don’t think you can stop it. It’s funny I took up running 5 years ago. The roads and tracks never are busy.
I climbed and biked for 20 years… I don’t miss the crowded parking lots and fighting to get on a route. I left backcountry skiing for Nordic and again the crowds have disappeared…
For the last 20 years I have been advocating for a change in trail etiquette.
Like it or not, the downhill ride is the big payoff after a grueling climb and the longer and more grueling the climb, the sweeter the downhill ride bomb.
Many of the trails that I built, I built with the downhill ride in mind. I built a couple of infamous technical climbs too that led to equally infamous technical descents.
As bike technology evolves so must our attitudes towards what’s obvious.
The solution is one way trails. The climbing rider should have the right of way and one way trails force that to be the case.
I couldn’t disagree with this more. Regardless of what speeds a bike is capable of achieving, said bike must be ridden in such a way that it is capable of stopping. Just like a car. Otherwise the bike is considered… out of control.
I prefer climbing over descending, I always have. And when someone comes down the trail fast, I don’t budge for anyone. Nor will I ever.
For starters, climbing while clipped in on a steep and technical grade can’t be stopped and restarted without a need for a hike-a-bike of that section m. I’m not doing that.
2nd, and most importantly,
These are mixed use trails.
A family taking a hike with kids or maybe a pair of elderly ladies could be taking a nature walk Or an equestrian rider could be just around the corner. It is not up to them to hear a bear bell and know that they should be diving out of the way of some jerk off on a fluorescent colored bicycle coming way too fast around a blind turn.
I bike in Los Angeles. I will continue to maintain my right of way on climbs, I will continue to tell the other riders I ride with that this is the standard and I Will continue to expect others to continue to maintain an ability to stop in time to respect the right of way of myself and others.
You want something else,
I can direct you to the nearest mountain bike park. A mixed use trail is not for you.
If I were to have my afternoon affected by a reckless rider. You can bet it will end with my spyderco ruining their maxxis minnions mere seconds before I toss their carbon bike down the side of the hill. Im pretty sure my steel hard tail will survive the crash.
I love letting it rip, too. But you have to be able to stop, bud. That’s just common sense. It may not be a rider; it may be a kid or an old person that has no idea where the bike line is, where you intend to go, etc.. If you wanna really get after it, hit the resorts and DH-only, directional trails (super fun), But not being under control on public, multi-user trails is dumb.
I’m pretty sure its completely unreasonable though for anyone to get mad at any rider for being blinded by the rising or setting sun. There are plenty of multi-use trails that perfectly line up with the sun as it rises or sets, and a rider isn’t just going to stop on a descent and wait for the sun to go down or to get out of their eyes. Even the best $300 sunglasses cannot block out sun glare. As long as that rider slows down, they cannot be held responsible for anything that happens while blinded by the sun.
I do ask, for the sake of people who cannot afford super expensive sunglasses that still don’t block out sun glare: Please don’t get pissy at us in these scenarios, because we can’t control the sun, and we can’t control the materials used in sunglasses. Shadows are key here: if your shadow is long and in front of you and a rider is coming down, the sun is likely in their eyes. Call out so they know your location and move to the opposite side, please. They can still see a small part of the trail in front of them, and so will reduce their speed to better control the bike with the limited visibility. I cannot stress this enough: sun glare is completely uncontrollable, and it is dangerous. It takes awareness on ALL SIDES (equestrian, pedestrian, or cyclist) for sun glare to be managed safely.
PS: I decided to bring this up because I noticed that nobody else has for as far as I’ve scrolled down, despite it being such a safety sensitive topic.
Chris, you are completely right! Mountain Biking is just a trend! Only the soul riders will stay! But also the sport has changed, technology, bikes, disciplines, and trails!
If you are ever in Calgary, Alberta, Canada you will find that which you seek! Day trips to Kananaskis, Canmore, Fernie, Golden and beyond might have you packing up your belongings and calling our home your home. Our cycling groups even add the enjoyment of friendship and the odd beer to the adventure. Happy riding!!
Wait till the hoard of E-moped riders assault our trails here in Alberta…
But you Calgarians are who us Goldenites are trying to stay away from. Shoo!
Even though you make some valid points your response feels douchey.
Enjoy the ride.
Peace
It’s disheartening to realize that encouraging the unwashed masses to participate in our sport and to invade the places we love will be the death of both. It’s what humans do.
Mike, we agree 100%. We’ve lost count on how many times d-bags haven’t yielded to us while on a brutal climb (or any climb). No matter how many “this is who yields signs” there is it doesn’t matter. The attitude of “I’m having more fun and it’s SO EPIC so screw everyone” needs to go.
I’m an Edurodude that loves making the climb for the rewarding bombing of the downhill. I learned trial etiquette early from my older brother who learner from his LBS group rides. Maybe we should reach out the the LBS and the manufacturers on the problems we are facing. The problem is… the manufacturer’s are encouraging this this with their advertising…..
I’ll step down from the soapbox. Thanks for the great article.
Too many users, build and it and they will come, but all we ask is for more and better, it’s our problem because we are the problem, so we move to the smaller places, learn to appreciate the natural surfaces, avoid the common path … but they will always follow, it’s human nature.
spot on and exactly what I see throughout CO. thanks for sharing your thoughts.
kindness = badass, if you ask me.
Sad but true. It’s similar to backcountry skiing these days. Just got go deeper back there – most bros like the trailheads more than the trails.
Great article Mike. I mountain bike a lot less than I used to. The culture, crowds, and bikes that cost as much as a year of college have me trail running and hiking more than riding these days.
I’ve just started mountain biking and absolutely love it. I typically use the outdoors as an escape from the masses but have also been finding it difficult to get away from the “endurbro” types who make learning the new sport pretty intimidating. I’d love suggestions on websites/blogs/places to go to learn mountain biking etiquette as it’s totally new to me. Any suggestions?
Welcome, Hannah.
You could do worse than to start here:
https://www.imba.com/engage/find-your-local-group?param=chapter
BTY, for any new law there is Fed, State, County, City and up to the area, park, ski area “mountain bike rules in summer” and or other. Very few people can keep up with the laws, which change frequently…..
In some areas DUI is also riding or walking in/near towns, cities, parks.
Skate/mountain parks, swimming times are placed for multi use ages and skills.
If we fight too much, the freedom like backcountry ropes are placed because people can and need mountain rescue when operating in foul weather, high altitude or just injury, like falling which can happen. Sometimes the one may not know but are charging with rescue, helicopter costs and there are so many great volunteers. I kinda like probation for people who are ignorant to help build trails or maintain them..We all need to pitch in more, not less. So many excellent posts, the initial and follow up. There are advocates for safe outdoing on many sites…..to research and know the gear you need…..I respect all and we are man against nature, sometimes against man or self………..
Back in my college days, I recall an evening where I arrived late to the pub to join the boys, who of course were half in the bag. As I sat down and waited for my first beer, I sorta stood back from the scene and thought, “whoa, these guys are acting like assholes! I hope I’m not like that!” Well, of course, two hours later I totally WAS that guy, yelling and laughing and taking up too much space. And a lot of times, regardless of whether we’re riding mountain bikes, drinking beer, or involved in whatever group activity we might be passionate about, is that group behavior takes over. And a lot of times, that’s really a lot of fun. But when you’re doing stuff solo, you’re in a more observant mode. You are speaking the truth as you see it at a particularly unique time in your existence and your mind spools/extrapolates in a kind of confirmation bias. But, what I’ve noticed from time to time is that my own observations and emotions are just that – temporary. You can spool out all sorts of scenarios about people you are sharing the trail with, and see demons behind every tree and under every rock. But they’re just out there, living out loud. Yeah, they’ve likely seen too many YouTube videos and beer commercials, but haven’t we all? I don’t know that the golden era you mention actually ever existed, but certainly over-use can cramp a guy’s enjoyment. Hope you find more solitude in the days ahead. Good post.
There is nothing wrong with “living out loud”. That’s not the point. The real point as I see it is that we as a culture breed the individualistic “me first” attitude that lays waste to everything in the name of fulfillment. A society where “I matter more than you” is destined for a lot of pain. This is what you are seeing on the trails, but it is everywhere. It’s on highways, parking lots, politics. You had a moment of clarity in your self reflection at the pub. That’s a good place to start.
Hits nail on head!
I hear similar commentary about back country skiing, my sport of choice, but in practice, see very little bad behavior except at roadside spots, even in the very busy Front Range zones I frequent. And in almost every instance, a one mile hike or skin brings almost complete solitude. Only caveat is that I don’t ski on weekends 🙂
The first time reading this article I couldn’t make it more than a quarter of the way through. Mountain biking is about fun/solace/escape/effort, and on and on. It isn’t up to one person to say what it should or shouldn’t be and this article screams to me of a person who wants it there way and isn’t happy because everyone isn’t listening to them. And the amount of judgement coming through the lines of your article illustrate how you have pigeonholed those people you haven’t interacted with and haven’t taken the time to understand. Mountain biking is a growing sport and should be open to all who choose to participate, without the qualifying endorsement of others. I agree that we should all be more aware and intentional with how we treat our trails but this article isn’t going to help that discussion. Tone back the judgement, remove the self.
I couldn’t disagree with you more.
Thanks Dave. You just spared me the energy.
Much agree myself. The tone is a bit selfish sounding, that the hordes have invaded the trails. It’s the same around the UK. It’s just mountain biking has become massively popular. There are issues in some places with respecting the trails / land and other users, but in the main it’s very satisfying to see so many people enjoying the outdoors, of all ages and gender, and also helping out people new to the area, showing them the trails. It’s become a very social activity. Though I love the solitude of a solo ride and can find places and times to do that, it’s not my right to have it all to myself.
A person who seems to want everyone to treat others and the environment with respect is now “selfish”?!
smh
Labeling someone as an ‘Endur-bro’ doesn’t seem very respectful to me. I think the discussion is a good one to have, and I think the people that are expressing their thoughts here are helping with that. But there are constructive ways to discuss and disagree and there are deconstructive ways and me personally, I find that starting a discussion by throwing out labels and lamenting the way ‘things used to be’ (which comes at the expense of those of us new to the sport) is not constructive.
I don’t think intentionally misinterpreting this essay is constructive either.
“Please note that in every way here I have said “we” and “our” and “us,” because while it’s easy to point a finger and place blame on others, doing so solves nothing. The problem is us as a user group.”
“which comes at the expense of those of us new to the sport” ?? He’s saying EVERYONE is responsible.
Whining about silly “labels” and intentional misinterpretations are not very constructive either imho
Ron-
The most important part of any paragraph or essay is the “hook.” Close to that hook, this author placed a divisive label on some people, which made it less objective and more judgemental. The area around the hook sets the tone of the whole essay. It doesn’t matter what you put at the end if people aren’t reading it to the end.
I don’t see it about being about judgement of others, it’s about how we act with all the other people we share a public resource with. It’s all great to have fun on our bikes and if some people like the descent more than the climb or vise versa, that not the issue, it’s how you treat the trail, the living things that surround it an your fellow trail users.
EXCELLENT article… Been on bikes as a certified bike-nut for 40 years now.. BMX, freestyle, MTB, Road, triathlon, back to Road and MTB but hope to get back on ramps with the Haro again one day. Cycling has changed, and NOT for the better… Punks treat my passion as a fad and they’re mostly too lazy to even PEDAL a bike.. let alone learn or know trail etiquette or how to brake WITHOUT ever locking up the wheels for a turn… Hey dopes (and maybe you smoked too much of it before your shuttle & decent routine) watch a little more auto racing and CLOSELY pay attention to how the FASTEST drivers are SMOOTH through the corners and NEVER lock the wheels up – I’ll inform you too that most racing doesn’t allow ABS. I would be happy if guys like you HAD an ABS equipped bike. It’ll get worse yet with electric bike… I KNOW the fad-sters aren’t done with my passion and sport-for-life just yet… But that’s ok, I’m in this for another 40 years and you’ll already be dead from your vaping habits or some other dumb thing you’re into.. poisoned by dirty tattoo needles perhaps???
Anyway, love the story! I’m always quick to recognize AND recognize the other trail illuminati… You KNOW you’re doing it right when you climb MORE than you descend… And nobody has to explain the BENEFITS of clipless pedals to you :-/
Spot on man… and you ARE being heard. I shared this with my group of old-school riders as we were having a similar discussion thread earlier about this very topic.
I certainly don’t know the answer either, as it’s not an easy one. It requires a paradigm shift at the foundation of how we (as humans) wish to engage with others. It’s convincing complete strangers to show and act with empathy toward everyone else… and THAT seems to be where the foundation of our society-at-large is crumbling most.
I live in a smaller place – and love it.
I have been mountain biking since the mid eighties. Here in North Van in the late eighties early nineties if you ran into someone on the trails you’d stop and chat because you were such a minority. Now people hardly nod or say hello and mountain biking has fractured into user groups. What ever happened to ride, don’t slide. I see the same on the local mountains outside the ski hill boundaries where we used to tour. Now over run by snowshoers walking all over the place and destroying the skin track. No one is taught any Ettiquette. A mentoring suggestion is now seen as an attack on ones freedom to do whatever they Fing please.
” A mentoring suggestion is now seen as an attack on ones freedom to do whatever they Fing please.” Exactly. We live in a culture of entitlement,”
I am having a hard time believing that what the author of this piece is arguing is even controversial! I’m an old rider who started in the 90s and rode for years in AZ and CO, and etiquette was ALWAYS at the top of our minds, and we taught each other and respected each other. Now I’m back into the sport after a break for motherhood and a knee replacement, and when I take my kid out to beginner trails to teach him to ride (and the rules about passing, and letting others pass, and letting g others know when you’re coming up behind them so they can find a spot to let you pass), I find we’re in a different and extremely disrespectful, and DANGEROUS world. All thanks to asshats (always guys in their teens to about age 30), who don’t give a shit if they run some kid off the trail. I’m so disgusted to see some of these comments. Here I was, naively thinking that maybe nobody ever taught these young men trail etiquette. Nope, they just don’t give a damn about anyone but themselves and their little adrenaline rush. Real men don’t behave like that. And I’m teaching my son that he doesn’t have to be an asshole. Too bad some of you didn’t get that lesson.
Maybe this is true in your part of the country, but not in New England. The new interest in the sport has spawned a huge wave of new trail systems, and added thousands of miles to existing old school trail systems. I’ve been riding in New England and Eastern Canada for the past 30 years, and it’s absolutely never been better than it is right now. Sure, there are plenty of young aggressive riders, as there are old aggressive riders and sometimes they are annoying, but on the whole it’s been a huge boon to riding in this region, and I’ve seen that across the country in places like Bentonville, and Sedona, and other hot spots I’ve visited over the past decades. Education of the newcomers to the sport would be great, and is needed, but my suggestion would be to get used to this new dynamic in the sport and to embrace the newcomers, because they are the future.
I agree with Sam. I’ve been riding since the early 90s when I cut my teeth on old-school single track in the mountains surrounding Penn State. I live in Northeast Ohio now and new trails are being built, including the first machine cut trail system in a national park (East Rim/Cuyahoga Valley). I have never seen as much optimism and opportunities for mountain bikers as there is today, and generally find most riders to be polite and respectful. However, in my 25 years of riding, I’ve learned to pick out the righteous types who seem to have a problem with everyone and think that they own the trails. Like those who’ve moved into pristine areas and want to slam the door behind them so no one else can come in.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3shyv
I think in every era of the sport there has been people with no respect for the trails but at the same time mtb has grown alot in the past 10 years, just look how much more capable bikes are now. The problem I see is lack of dedicated trail and the amount of people using the old trails has tripled we all need more places to ride/hike. I think with the growth of outdoor activities the infrastructure hasn’t been able to keep. Being on Colorado doesn’t help that anymore people are moving here just to be more outdoors and local government doesn’t seem to recognize the wave. So we maintain the trails we have with adding or improving how the trails are used.
I don’t mountain bike any more because I live in a big, flat city without trails, but I think the problem is with cycling in general. I see two main groups of people who are bad for cycling: jocks/jockettes, because to them it’s all about how bad they are; and gearheads, because to them it’s all about the fashion. So I mostly ride my cheap mountain bike shaped object on my own and when I see jock/jockette and gearhead tendencies in those I do ride with, I try to ignore them. Maybe over time, they will leave the sport or cause others to and it will be better.
Great write up… I agree.
Also – 85% of recreational mountain bikers are over-equipped. They have way more bike than they really need. Yes it’s human nature and true in many parts of our lives… but it always fascinates me when i’m out riding some local rather timid single track on my cyclocross bike and pass by guys with huge suspension, full faced helmets, etc. You used to have to pick lines and navigate, now not so much – just point and hold on.
There may be hope in the emergence of the gravel riding and bike-packing scenes. While it’s more about getting predominantly road riders out into the dirt — there’s a spirt and soulfulness about it that resembles those early days of mountain biking. It too has it’s cliches and ‘bro’-ness about it — but since it requires a ton of hard pedaling it immediately eliminates a large portion of the gravity-centrics.
I’ve also heard that a lot of the big bike companies are recommitting to XC low suspensions bikes in the coming year — likely to capture some of that gravel/packing trendiness — but good for image resetting possibly.
btw – follow Salsa bikes lead and the whole scene up there in the upper midwest — it’s packed full of the soulness and adventure you speak of. there are glimmers and pockets around.
I always see people trashing others about riding “too much bike” with the mentality that I used to ride a fixie in this tail and love it. It’s such a straw man argument. Do most people ride their Bronson to the max? Probably not. Should we give a s***? Probably not. Just let people live. I’ve watched people over the years get into mtb and spend too much out of the gate, but they’re getting out and loving it. Little less time caring about what everyone’s doing gives more time to enjoy.
This article starts with a false premise. Buying a bike does not make you a biker. Having said that, how do you share the joys of biking without attracting others to the sport. It is easy to claim that others don’t deserve the same gratification that we get from a long uphill grind followed by a nice, flowing descent, and maybe they don’t, but who are we to say that we are the only ones that are worthy? If you want solitude, go somewhere that you have to work to get to. Trust me, you’ll find the solace you seek.
perhaps, until the bros with electric mtbikes show up 😉 and you know they will
The “endurbro” shred fest is unappealing to me, but the 15 year old equivalent (Shaun Palmer maybe?) was 100% appealing to me as a late-teenager starting out in the sport. The bikes weren’t nearly as good, but the perceived lifestyle and intent was the same. It got me into the sport, racing DH in particular, and through that participation, I grew up. Now, after lusting after the latest Yeti DH bike for numerous years, I ride a fully rigid XC, and my main goal is long days in the saddle, exploring, and zenning out in the woods, probably more in line with how the author wishes to participate in the sport. The spectrum of participation has always been broad, and the culture always evolving. Your way isn’t right, and their way isn’t wrong. This article smacks of “back-in-my-day”. I agree with Dave’s comment above. Quit judging and influence through inclusiveness. At least the endurbros are out in the woods, enjoying nature in their own way. As a result, their participation, and mountain biking culture, will only evolve further.
This. 100% this!! There are as many types of riders as there are bikes to ride. Being respectful to others and the trails we ride on is what matters most. Each person gets something different out of mtn biking. For some, it’s long days in the saddle on an xc rig pedalling until their legs give out. For others, it’s hitting a gnarly drop or hauling *ss down to the bottom. To each his own, I say. I don’t agree with making Strava lines or not yielding to others – that is disrespectful. I also think it’s disrespectful to climb a trail who’s preferred direction is DH on a given day. (You know who you are.) Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. Get out there, have fun, and let others have fun too!
A simple sign adorns all the trails in my area: Don’t ride when wet.
Doesn’t seem to dissuade the new crowd. Then they complain that the trails are a mess all summer and why doesn’t anyone maintain them?…..grrrrrr…….
This article is so true, but I suspect a little bit of preaching to the choir is going on as the typical MTB rider doesn’t read AJ.
I’m guilty of bringing literally HUNDREDS of people into the sport. Been riding for 30 years, told all my friends through the years about how amazing it is, most are still riding.
Trails certainly are better than they were back in the day!
One of the big problems that is not mentioned is that a contingent of the bike community and bike industry have been behind the lobby to open designated Wilderness to bicycles. I’ve been cycling my whole life, have a stable of bikes, but I adamantly believe that bicycles do not belong in Wilderness. Anyone reading this article can attest to trail damage and the unthinking riders that hew new routes and ride in the mud and wreck the natural growth. I’m not saying horses and people cause damage as well. But what I am saying is the The Wilderness Act specifically calls for traditional uses of non-motorized recreation (walking and horses). I am not interested in seeing bikers in Wilderness at all. I am not interested in watering down The Wilderness Act just so bikers can ride across pristine alpine terrain. Get off your damn bike and walk, take a look around at the subtle life around you, rather than flying down mountains, just for the sake of it. http://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/363779-americas-wilderness-is-no-place-for-motorized-mountain-bikes
https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/do-bikes-belong-wilderness-areas
First, the proportion of bad cyclists is greatly exaggerated here. Second, the bad cyclists are not the ones who are willing to expend their sweat equity to access truly remote and rugged places under their own power. And that’s the key here— human powered. As for trail damage, multiple independent studies confirm cycling impact to be similar to hiking and far less than equestrian use. Nothing destroys muddy trail like a 1200lb horse. Destroying new growth? Both hikers and equestrians are far more likely to go off trail than hikers.
Your whole post reeks of “my way is the only true way” elitism. I’ve been hiking two decades longer than I’ve been biking, and yet I’ve seen everything from the seat of my bike that I have from the soles of my boots. For you to claim that one is incapable of properly enjoying the Wilderness on a bike is false and prejudicial.
Even Edward Abbey said “A man on foot, on horseback or on a bicycle will see more, feel more, enjoy more in one mile than the motorized tourists will in a hundred miles.”
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Amen. Keep bikes out of designated wilderness areas. Thank you
How about instead of fully banning bikes from wilderness: provide a few VERY long trails that connect states, that way people have a way to bike around the country without having to use the highways or other roads. There are already two such trails running east and west, but they are hundreds of miles apart and largely inaccessible to most who wish to ride them. Another two east-west trails would fill in that gap, which would encourage people to ride to their travel destinations rather than drive or fly. Several north-south routes connecting these would also be helpful. Designated camping areas along these trails will help reduce erosion, and provide a safe area for an open fire.
As for crossing interstates, which would need to happen multiple times, a simple double wide bridge could be constructed. A tunnel risks flooding, which would close off that trail system until the flooding is abated.
Great article, hits home here in Western North Carolina
if what the article describes is the actual state of mountain biking I would agree with you. I left Colorado a decade ago to move to rural Montana. So far this year I have yet to cross paths with another person on the trail (whether on foot, horseback or wheels) so far this spring, so my mountain bike experience is the total opposite of what is described here. I don’t think we can generalize the Gunnison/Crested Butte/Jackson/ Sun Valley/insert popular mountain town here and say that is representative of mountain biking everywhere to argue against bikes in Wilderness. Now there are plenty of wilderness areas close to urban area that are already over stressed and adding bikes would be a really bad idea. I also know of trails that see less than 100 visits a year and those are mostly by outfitters during hunting season. Before it became a wilderness areas the White Clouds had a 20 year history fo mountain bike use and the trails and the experiences there were not degraded by bikes. (As a aside, I have been told by people who have been there since it has been closed to bikes to don’t bother hiking there. That the area is now dominated by outfitters and horse crap, and that to enjoy the area now you need to pay for the privilege. I will say that is one anecdote, so take it for what it is)
Plus if the management of wilderness was restricted to designated wilderness the restrictions might make sense, but now Wilderness Study Areas and recommended wilderness is now being closed to bikes, and some more zealous wilderness groups also want Inventoried Roadless Areas closed to bikes as well. The areas are home to trails where bikes are traditional uses. When the FS closed 180 miles of trail to bikes surrounding my home, one of the groups advocating for these closures argued that the fact they couldn’t find any impact from bikes meant that we weren’t using the trails enough to warrant our continued use. As far as the “bike industry” pushing for bikes in wilderness, that is laughable. Those of us who advocate for access to “wilderness” trails where we are an established use have seen zero support from the industry. There simply isn’t much money or bikes to be sold to the small contingent of mountain bikers who want to ride primitive trails in remote hard to access locations.
The boulder white clouds still have extensive network of trails open to mountain bikes. What the sun valley crowd complained about was the castle divide section closure and ants basin. Contrary to the comment about outfitters and horse crap is not factual. I ride and hike there extensively every summer and it is fairly underused except for the lake basins on weekends
Very timely, i thought I was just becoming any angry old white man as climbed up what used to be a tight tricky uphill in the Santa Cruz Mountains yesterday and noted that in the first 4 months of the year, the downhill lines had become blown out and numerous, with multiple choices ripped into new soil that won’t hold during rainy season and will eventually if not sooner cause the trail to be impassable up or close. I don’t begrudge the traffic and increased interest in the sport, but the complete disrespect for the trails, the builders, and at its core others, is something that threatens to push me out to BLM roads on my cross bike. The reality of increased pressure on near urban trails is just math unfortunately. What can we do? Individually, role model and as you help novice riders get started, teach. As a group, advocacy groups may want to take on trail etiquette campaigns with education on the simple “rules of the trail” Naive as it sounds , a little bit of education with convert a few on the margin. We’ll never fix complete Dbags, but Karma takes care of them eventually.
Great feed, “Tall Old Guy” as the others. I started something after my son would literally fix all broken chains, gears, tires changes for so many that could not. I have also as a mom…….People are devastated when stuck out with no idea how to help themselves. We had a conversation about helmets and the percentage of children that wear helmets on backwards on trails or too loose they are not the brain bucket intended. So help, just befriend them, learn and exchange. I have never had one angry person from helping, or just offering…..Road rage is unnecessary, happens. There is not much room for error in playing chicken on nature’s trails, climbing, skiing, biking. Seems like we always have opinions about water rights, fences, roads and trails……….Freediving has become a passion, no traffic there yet…..
I think patience will win out in the end. people in the their 20s get a career type job, get fired up and buy a bunch of gear and become weekend warriors in one activity or another. in 10 years they will have kids, a gut and spend more time on the couch watching tv. the following generations usually avoid what the previous one is “into”
in the 80s you couldn’t stroll along the paved walkways in central park without some rollerblader zipping past you…:-)
This is becoming a common occurance in all our outdoor sports. From Mountain Biking, Backpacking, Climbing, Fishing, and Bowhunting. In your essay you could have changed Mountain Biking to anyother outdoor pursuit and it would read in the same way. It troubles me so.
Thanks, old white guy for internet scolding a bunch of people. Mountain biking is not yours to tell others what to do with.
Also, wasn’t it pretty much invented by a bunch of weed heads in California trying to (and still doing it) ride bootleg trails where they weren’t allowed? You do not speak for me. Go have fun in the woods, however you do that.
What has happened to ‘pack it in, pack it out ‘? To: Do no harm? Several years back some pro mountain biker decided the trails in the cities Garden if the Gods wasn’t ‘good enough’, so he and his crew team reeked havoc making their own trails. Luckily, there were enough voices and photos to capture his A** and he paid heavily for the destruction he created.
Enjoy, don’t destroy….
Not sure what you’re talking about here. When the knuckleheads were discovered, within 48 hours an army of mountain bikers mobilized, obliterated the bandit trails, and restored the affected land.
Meanwhile in Colorado Springs, hikers are going off trail daily, creating bandit trails, cutting switchbacks, throwing butts/roaches into dry vegetation, etc. and you don’t see any such response from the hiking community.
Me me me. That’s what this is all about. A culture of entitlement and instant gratification. Selfies, YouTube, gopros, weed, don’t say it’s my problem it’s you who has the problem, online mentality of say anything do anything. Nobody earns things these days, they demand it.
We cut the trails we fought for advocacy, we pioneered the sport, watched it explode and then watched it crumble. The purists stayed, the Shawn Palmer extreme Dew types faded. Now we have a new generation, fat bikes, 29ers, more wheel sizes of the month, and amazing tech all being picked up by the hybrid car generation.
Took forever to get my son to want to ride a bike, now he has his first Haro and I see that twinkle in his eye as he is finding dirt. Face it it’s hard to get a kid excited about this mechanical thing that can cause pain versus the fantasy of doing fantastical things on a video game. We didnt have that. This generation is programmed by extreme video games and Red bull canyon jumping YouTube vids… Our extremes are their norms.
This group will fade, trails will close, trails will reopen and such continues the cycle of life. Unfortunately, myself, the author and others are now what we used to call Sunday driver’s. We are the old farts going 25 in a 55.
Those darn punky kids!!
You’re get off my lawn mentality is bs man. Those terrible go pros and YouTube them whipper snappers are using. I enjoy hybrid cars, apparently that’s an insult in your generation. I love mtb, live for it. I build trails, get and active in the community. I’m involved in advocacy for new trails. I also love to watch those terrible YouTubers you’re concerned about when I can’t be out in the trails or when winter’s in deep. I think your generation needs to take a step back with all your hate.
I guess the poor author has not realized that todays 30 and under crowd have been told “it’s all about me” so much that they just do not care about others opinions.
It’s always very telling when hikers who want trails all to themselves accuse the other of being all about “me me me.”
It’s even more telling when someone has to build a straw man to knock down in order to counter things he disagrees with.
Who said, “hikers who want trails all to themselves”? Oh right, you did
Turn the phone off and go get lost while you still can. We are in the Golden Age Of Trail Building. I ride solo… the views, the sounds, the hidden streams and ponds…. if I could change one thing… it would be to encourage people to turn off their phones. If I bump into somebody along the trail about to drop into the next section, I always say hello, wow what a great day huh! Or did you see those elk back there on the ridge…. etc….. sadly, most of the time they can’t hear me because they are plugged in. I guess it comes with numbers…. I just adjust when and where I ride. 183 beats per minute will definitely get you up the hill faster but you just missed a little bobcat back a switchback or two….. that’s it for me, now it is time to ride and take my lab Merlin for a ride that always ends with a swim in Wizards Pond. We live in an incredibly beautiful world.
I have a lot of respect for Mike Curiak but he has embarrassed himself here a little. One of the painful parts of life is observing change in the things you love… remembering how it was, lamenting the kids these days that ‘just dont get it’. You can choose to find the good, or become the grumpy old man. Regardless of your choice, time marches on and few things stay the same. As others have mentioned, some of MTB’s earliest pioneers were dope smokers skidding around corners while doing timed descents. Based on the tone of this (and some other) posts by Mike, I’m sure he’d take one look at me and immediately lump me in with the Enduro bro’s. Well, turns out some of us like to shred some days and go deep in the backcountry on other days, sitting silently and absorbing (and respecting) the natural landscape. Yeah, and we volunteer to build / maintain trails, too. Perhaps Mike should be grateful that the masses DON’T understand how good the backcountry is… because if they did then even the remote trails would be -gasp- too crowded!
I stand behind what I’ve written here, Steve. For you to take away that I’m a grumpy old man unwilling to accept change is to only have grasped the intro to what I wrote. Don’t confuse the examples I gave — which are merely what got me thinking about this — for scapegoating. I said it clearly — we’re all to blame. Whether we can effect positive change from this point going forward is the question. It’s up to us.
I appreciate your eloquent voice, Mike. I have seen undesirable changes to our trails/users in the short 5 years I’ve lived here. Something has to give.
Well Some seems entitled.
You realize there is a huge mountain bike event going on at the time you wrote this, right? While I agree that the trails are suffering from d-bags, Strava is a tool of the devil himself (can I get some kudos for that?), and that there needs to be a lot more education in sustainability – especially in the more fragile areas like the desert; I would like to offer a counter-point if I may.
The mainstream popularity of mountain biking has led to incredible technology and more money going into trails than ever before. Grand Junction and Fruita were discovered and abused a long time ago, not to mention Moab. But now that the economic impact of the mountain bike tourism is being realized, the amount of maintenance going into the trails has increased significantly in just the last 5 years. If people weren’t flooding in every weekend from the big population centers spending money on food and hotel rooms, do you really think there would be funded trail crews out there keeping things in shape? If anything some of the better trails have been over-maintained and sanitized badly.
Plus it takes almost no effort to avoid crowds in GJ. Just go more than 3 miles from the parking lot, and you’ll be alone for hours.
Working on trail is by far one of the most rewarding things that I do and when I first started riding it really opened my eyes to the effort it takes, understanding of nature, and the fact that my ability to ride only exists because of other’s hard work before me. I am thankful and show this by making sure I build and contribute where I can.
Well said.Im not a downhiller or enduro guy, I just love being out on the trail. I’m an old man riding for over 40 years and there never was a time that there wasnt the one rude,obnoxious guy seeming to be out to ruin your ride.
But that’s everywhere in life. If you are riding to the trails from your house then it seems logical others are going to do the same This kinda of reminds me of the hiker backpacking up Barr trail to do an overnight half way up Pikes Peak. He was complaining about others not knowing trail etiquette and giving way to him. Honestly if you are on one of the most popular trails in town ( country for that matter) and complain about your “wilderness adventure” being ruined, maybe you’re in the wrong place.
This just isn’t about bikes.
It’s about all outdoor users and the explosion of interest in the outdoors. Bad behavior and poor ethics are rampant in a new generation of outdoor users. The new generation of hikers is just as bad. It’s such a complex issue- part technology, part social media FOMO, part instagram driven narcissism, partly that there are no secrets in an internet connected world, partly a lack of mentorship, partly a generation seeking instant gratification.
On hiking trails where I never used to see anyone, I now see graffiti, trash, used toilet paper. Popular trailheads are now packed with Instagram selfie stick hikers. Backcountry ski trailheads are a zoo. When SUPs became popular, my local surf break started to see people who had no idea how a surf lineup worked. This was an issue with prone surfers too, dropping in without looking, showing up at advanced breaks with WaveStorms.
I was just out on the bike today to find that motos were out roosting all the bike trails and tearing up meadows. And in the winter the snowmobiles tear up the XC ski trails and spin endless circles in the meadows.
I feel like there’s been an explosion of interest in outdoor recreation. There is a whole new crop of outdoor users who haven’t had to pay their dues, who have no mentorship on backcountry ethics.
So yeah, it isn’t just bikes. It’s across the outdoor spectrum…
P.S. Don’t be surprised to find the anti-bike zealots copy/pasting your words to make the argument for banning bikes.
E bikes are gonna give people who don’t like bikes on the trails many victories. The industry is in on it and going to bring us all down chasing short term profit.
Regrettably, of all the responses, this one nailed it best. You dropped the Mic. When a Strava time is deemed more important than the hiker, horse, dog, child or rider coming up the trail the result will eventually lead to an accident and loss of trail access. A $7k bike and a Strava account doesn’ exempt one from courtesy and consideration or the Eurobros will destroy so much of the multi use access previous groups have worked so hard to obtain.
I took up mountain biking when I saw a guy ride his rock hopper up the Alpspitz in Garmish in 87. No susupension sorta big tires and crappy gearing. After a dozen or so MTBs with suspension, I am back to no suspension and sorta big tires on my gravel Niner RLT (way better gearing though)
I think that we all would like to be able to do the things we want in the MTB arena, however we need to be very aware that when we disrespect the others using the trails whether it is hikers horses or bikers we all lose. I used to ride Buffalo Creek Rec area outside of Denver. It was a great XC area that had a little tech area. Now it has more tech and the guys/gals will not pull off coming downhill and will take a “b” route around you causing damage to the surrounding area.
We can lose our privileges if we piss off the wrong people and no amount of crying will get it back.
Kinda miss the old days of riding, camping, and fun we had in the 80-90s.
Thank you I could not have said it better myself, I’m 15 so obviously relatively new to mountain biking. However I completely agree this is blatant butchery of the sport we use to decompress and process and turning it into the very things we process and decompress about. People are completely disrespecting nature and the people that do shouldn’t have the power to. There isn’t much we can do but tell others and repeats nature and the port ourselves. Thank you bill.
If you outside having fun, then whatever, thats all thats important. As long as people are smiling at each other, watching out for each others safety, and lending a helping hand when needed…then its all good. I ride a couple days a week, and mostly see good vibes on the trail regardless of riding styles or rig. The climbing world…not so much!
Eric’s reply is spot on. Here in the UK we have huge numbers of foot and bridle paths, carefully maintained by the local residents. Cutting back hedges, filling deep holes. Sadly, the motorised brigades instantly say to themselves ‘ hey, a new place to go!’ So arrive lines of guys on x country motor bikes, clubs and individuals in modified hill climb vehicles, all roaring and skidding and sliding along the little tracks. The wetter and more difficult the better. Having done the max damage for the day, they clear off to the next track on their list.
They owe no responsibility to local communities and are happy to freeload.
Universal problem. Universal mobility. In the end, the facilities are destroyed for everybody. Sad.
I don’t think it is that our demographic has gone batshit, so much as it has become broader, thereby encompassing more of what I call the “Asshole Quotient.” Assholes are only attracted to things that are popular, whether it be religion, recreation, or politics. Scenes that are relatively small, and underdeveloped, as a general rule, do not attract many assholes by virtue of the effort required to become a part of the scene. The effort of seeking out the uncommon tends to inculcate one with the code of conduct that governs the niche in question. As the niche moves closer to the mainstream, less effort is required to seek it out, and fewer of the unspoken, but understood rules are transferred to newcomers.
The recent ruckus over Bears Ear’s is a parallel example. Whether it becomes a National Monument, or a giant drilling lease, the process of thrusting it into the national spotlight has pretty much guaranteed that whatever was special about that place will be crushed by the common hordes seeking it out.
pretty tough to read. got to be more careful so legitimate concerns do not come across as “people mountain biking now are not as awesome, pure and hardcore as me”
Paul Petzoldt – founder of NOLS and present when the Wilderness act of 1964 was signed – knew that Just designating an area a Wilderness would not save it or the experience. This was a big reason for his founding the National Outdoor Leadership school – to teach proper techniques (some of which he learned/developed in the early years of the school and it led to LNT) and the ethics, which would help save the land and leave it in the same state for the next people there.
Still, the increasing population of the World, the outdoor industry and such – shows that even If everyone practiced LNT, wilderness ethics and so forth – eventually the Numbers overwhelm the lands capacity to provide what people are looking for. Then it becomes a competition/war to Get What “I” Want and FU…
They’ll be no turning back the clock.
They’ll be no righteous education or self-policing.
MTB’ers meet the requirements to be classified as invasive species.
To writer – Can I have Your permission to translate it to Polish ?
Best Regards from Poland !
Yes, please do.
We can try to educate those already riding. The endurobros, shuttlers, etc. But something we can all do right now is recruit and educate new riders. I am getting IMBA BICP L1 certified in 2 weeks. Teaching my first official Beginner’s Intro to Mountain Biking class a week after that. I will teach/preach things like Etiquette, Advocacy, Volunteerism along with basic skills. I’m 52. I’ve been riding for 20+ years and I’ve seen the “erosion” (pun intended) of just ridiculously basic tenants of mountain biking and I intend to do something about it. I’m also on the board of the local IMBA chapter. I also regularly promote and recruit for tail maintenance days. Nothing says “This trail is ours and demands respect.” like actually investing your own valuable time and effort shoveling dirt.
I was a mt biker for years until I was able to get a horse. 95% of the bikers I come across are just awesome, friendly and happy to share the trails. Unfortunately, that 5% could hurt me or my horse or themselves. And they just do not care. And also unfortunately, this behavior is not limited to mt biking – it is an epidemic in the US today. I beg each and every one of us to parent strongly, stand up for what is right and always be kind.
Don’t bomb down too fast.
Don’t clip other hikers and bikers
Up-hillers of all kinds – have the right of way
Mini cow bell helps on crowded trails when descending
Don’t skid your tires unless you have to
Pick up your trash, don’t litter
Don’t get to wasted, be in control.
Don’t jack up the trail with jumps and ramps unless you have permission
Be nice.
It matters not how modern your bike is, etiquette will never really change.
Mike – Thank you for a great article and 100% agree that : “We are failing / Failing to educate new riders on etiquette / Failing to criticize the actions of fellow riders / Failing to listen when they criticize us”. Living just up the hill from Denver, more and more of these behaviors are experienced and that needs to change. One of the other issues cropping up is the backlash one receives when trying to educate or criticize – some pretty in your face.
We need to be relentless and overcome as there will be more of us going forward. Hope to run into you in CO sometime.
It’s an immutable law of nature that there are a-holes in every crowd. Let’s say I see someone that looks like they are struggling to make their way downhill. I’m not going to get upset if they don’t get out of my uphill way. It’s also discouraging when you are on a basically contour line trail with ever so subtle of a rise and get the stink eye and snarky comments from on oncoming rider who deems themselves to have downhill right of way. Trail etiquette should be infused with a heavy dose of common sense and simple decency. And I agree with those who say this crisis in etiquette crosses sports boundaries. Anyone been to a climbing crag these days? Especially sport? Yikes! At the end of the day though, I am guessing many of the commenters on this article have some well-earned scars from access battles “back in the day.” For all of you and the newer or younger writers in this thread who may have not yet engaged to protect, maintain or open trails (excluding Wilderness), I implore all of you to keep paying attention to what’s going on in your neck of the woods and keep advocating to keep the public in public lands as passionately as you have opined here.
Mike, I finally took the time to read and then re-read this essay. Well said and thank you for not pointing fingers, this is all of us in some way.
As a user of all things outdoors and part public safety I have been finding it difficult to decide how best to educate the public. This is something I find increasingly necessary in the world at large and something that just becomes apparent in the aforementioned aspects of my life all-to-often. I would love to hear more on your perspective of how to educate the public and not just by talking at people. If you ever want to start a dialogue please let me know.
Also hell of a weekend in GJ to escape the crowds, also damn fine new trails you guys got over there this year, got to sample a good portion in the race.
I first read this on the Big Wheel building blog and there is a comment there by Matthew about the irony of this post, which Mike asks how or why it exists. I have followed more digital trail crumbs left by Big Wheel Building than you will ever know, Utah, Colorado and recently Nevada. I have adopted 29″ wheels and now + size tires for info I have found on BWB. Honestly, the only reason I come to BWB any more is for the chance of info that might help me stay ahead of the hordes or for a picture of sweet Jeny smiling like a cheshire cat as she tears up some crazy ass terrain! Really. On May 7th Mike posted a photo essay on BWB about a wonderful day at a place that he says,”I’ve been singing the praises of this ride for 15+ years.”, and , “From that I can only conclude that “mountain bikers” aren’t into this sort of thing. Which is just boggling to me.” Although he was careful not to actually divulge the actual location I’m pretty much sure I know what it was having followed some BWB digital crumbs to it myself a few years ago. A double black diamond ride if there ever was. Talk about never crying wolf.
In 1991 the population of Grand Junction was 31,004, in 2000 when I first went there following trail crumbs from the Space Cowgirl and her pals it was 45,652 and in 2016 it was 61,881. How can you not see this as a factor in the overcrowding of any popular outdoor activity, especially by those who were essentially *front runners* of those pursuits and now calling for “education” of the masses and returning to the “good old days”? I can only laugh.
So because I ride a bike I am like ‘you’? And because I ride a bike ‘we’ must do something?
How about this: leave your phone or camera at home or in your pocket and when you find your bliss or solace turn quietly and leave it where you found it.
I think you’ve made a good point or two here, Buzz, but I’m not sure what exactly they are. Either you’re being too subtle or I’m just too dense. Paint a clearer picture for me?
I’m not a mountain biker. I ride one and love trail riding but it’s number three or four on the things I do. Same with hiking. Great idea on weekdays in obscure places when nobody’s around. Point being that when you are using trails you are committed to a 2 ft wide zone that guarantees interaction if there’s anyone else out there. My salvation has been kayaking; sea or river or lake. Even on weekends and/or urban environment with motor traffic around you can retain separation. Also the etiquette(rules in this case) are defined and enforceable. If the being “out there” is more important than the Strava time, think ice fishing, scuba diving, hang gliding or kayaking.
every day population grows, just accept that,40 years ago, all of you in your 20’s were the first mountain bikers, campers, rock climbers, snow boarders, overlanders, hikers, etc etc, and the trails were empty just for you we get that, guess what, 40 years later you keep going to the trails and now you take your children and they take their children, stop talking about the golden years when everybody was a gentleman, we are still gentlemans but in huge quantities, and everything turns into a small chaos, get over it, stop making babys if you want the trails to be alone, that what I will do
You can evaluate the etiquette and evolution of the sport forever, but the simple reality is that there are just too many people. The taboo topic so often absent from the discussion of our social and economic issues is overpopulation. It is unsustainable.
JFR and Andy C. finally pointed out the core problem. Overpopulation. Any species of animal that overpopulates its habitat will destroy said habitat and become sick, resulting in a large die-off, eventually restoring balance. The problem with humans is that there is no die-off. The population just keeps growing and spreading and destroying the habitat. If overpopulation is not addressed, pretty soon all of the trails we love will become pavement, or part of a subdivision, making this whole topic pointless.
There is no die-off yet.
Jonathan and his ilk are the essence of the problem, fueled by the prevalent me-first attitude too many bike shops foster by not communicating basic trail etiquette rule to newbies and renters. I blame it all on Lance, actually, and not entirely sardonically. Most trails that are not segregated already into one way, or different user groups on designated dates or days, all have variations on the UNIVERSAL three-lobed symbol that designates right-of-way to 1) horseback riders; 2) hikers; 3) bicycles riding uphill. I do not care about your Strava time or gonzo antics because it is not a race. Unfortunately, the high-profile Leadville 100 reset the priority years ago, for two practical reasons. First, a mass start on an out-and-back course put the fastest riders returning on the Powerline descent, as the majority were tediously ascending, most pushing. Giving the fast racers the clear path, and admitting most could not “clean” the uphill anyway, was reasonable. What was not, obviously, was seeding the notion for not just all races, but every recreational trail thereafter, that the gonzos deserved free reign at all times. Old geeks strangely, actually can sometimes ride uphill better than you, on your 30-lb long travel beast, and cleaning technical trails is as legitimate a pursuit as going fast down. Being on the edge of falling, in the red zone, it really pisses me off that you disrespect my sport and me when you can slow down and re-start at practically any point while I, once stopped, likely cannot re-mount for many yards.
Innately self-centered, arrogant riders are bullies who make any trail less friendly, and courtesy should not be confused with some perverse weakness. Related to this, it used to be common road etiquette to announce when you were overtaking a slower rider, or pedestrian, with an “on your left,” or at least a bell ding. On two hour rides outside Boulder, I’m lucky if one in twenty take this basic gesture to heart, and what they fail to consider is, because I have the right of way being ahead of them, should I swerve around a hole or road hazard, if I am not aware of their presence, you may take both of us down because I cannot know what is behind me.
Before riding exploded after the Lance effect, most new riders started out riding with experienced ones who either had raced or toured long but not necessarily fast rides. Poor bike handling and dangerous maneuvers were quickly pointed out, along with other courtesies evolved from a century of tradition. Now, it’s all aggressive ignorance of why and how the trail rules came about. I’ve had it with the All About Me All the Time people who rationalize every selfish behavior while giving zero respect for the rights or safety of others. If one of you takes me down, I don’t think you’re going to enjoy wearing your Go Pro after I “reposition” it for you.
Very well said.
This debate seems to come up every so often and really isn’t a new problem. I started mountain biking in college in 1986. So in mountain bike years I guess I’m just an old useless geezer. I still love my mountain bikes as much as the first time I rode Schultz creek in Flagstaff on my fully rigid Trek 830 with my very fancy Hite-rite seat post dropper device. I’m enjoying my Ibis Mojo 3 just as much and love the way the new bikes perform. I’ve loved the evolution of riding and am actually glad more people are enjoying riding in its many forms. I really appreciate the essay and I think the point is have some common sense and treat everyone with respect. A simple “hi” goes a long way with all users. I guess I’m lucky because where I live now the trails aren’t too crowded or it’s still easy to avoid the crowds by staying away from the “popular” trails. There have always been self centered “entitiled” douchebags and there always will be. Having this kind of attitude is detrimental to all of us. It really gives justification to those that don’t want us on the trails in the first place. I agree that clearing an uphill can be as fun and challenging as flowing downhill. I mean, come on you don’t have to entirely slow down to be courteous to someone riding uphill and it’s not that big of a deal to stop for a second even though it might ruin your precious “flow”. We all love the downhill but some common sense helps and if you really don’t like it maybe try and discover some other trails that might not be so crowded. I’m sure there are some you can find with a little effort. That’s the beauty of mountain biking and still gets me excited. There is no therapy like mountain bike therapy! Carpe Diem!!
I read this article shortly after it was published and was brought back to it from another article and finally took the time to re-read and read the comments which I typically avoid.
Many of us are stuck in a world that revolves around computers and phones attached to a desk for 40+ hrs a week and NEED to get out and decompress after. Sometimes that means going for a rip of a ride and others stopping to enjoy the views. I live in an area that has a local trail system but more extensive trails an hour and half away which means weekend rides are the norm.
My worst rides of last season were during high school mountain bike practice which unfortunately fall on early weekend morning. Hoards of kids who should be taught the rules and understand their practice time also means, sharing trails showed WAY more disrespect for other riders than the park rats on opening day at the MTB park, and as a female rider it was even more obvious. They clogged the entrance to the qualifier for multiple riders while drooling over each others new bikes. They didn’t clear the trail as they saw me approaching a technical root filled section, instead I snaked my way through them and the roots as they gawked at the fact that I could get through the section with the awesome comment after I cleared it “see Carter I told you she would make it”. Instead of letting me pass as I came up behind with a respectful warning they speed up (female voice) which forced me to eventually stop give them space. The worst insult was that in each of these encounters there was a coach near that should have taken the opportunity to teach trail etiquette. The focus was on racing and speed which is OBV the reason for practice but does not negate bad trail etiquette or lack of teaching on the coaches part. Unfortunately, this massive group of young riders were being taught by lack of education that Your Ride is > Anyone Else and in one word Entitlement.
Mike,
You state, “We are failing.”
Failing to educate new riders on etiquette.
Failing to criticize the actions of fellow riders.
Failing to listen when they criticize us.
So many thoughts here:
1. How are you reaching out to new riders?
2. You have provided much criticism in this opinion piece. Do you see any positive changes as a result of your sharing these opinions?
3. Failing to listen when they criticize us. Who is “us” and who is “them”?
Cheers!
Mike,
You are absolutely correct! Thank you. I am a MTBer, have been since late 80`s. I have also seen this in the motorcycle community. It used to be that a motorcycle was a way of life, now its a status symbol.
The mountain bikes have gone the same way. Apparently now days how much you`ve spent determines how serious a mountain biker you are. And, hey, Ive dropped 20K on this bike so get out of my way as I gopro this downhill so that I can impress my 1500 follwers on instagram – or whatever…
I used to enjoy going to the movies with my wife from time to time. I now avoid it like the plaque since one cannot enjoy the movie while you have all the phone screens glaring in your eyes. People taking calls and messaging during the movie.
Tech has ruined society!
Although I arrived here from a slightly unrelated google search topic, I enjoyed this essay. As a trail runner, I understand Mike’s consternation with people destroying trails. Just as people blatantly ignore leash laws they also ignore recommendations to avoid running in wet conditions. There have been many times I’ve arrived to the trail on a dry day only to find it unrecognizable from the damage people did during the previous week of wet. I used to be an avid mountain biker and I’m trying to get back into it. I’m 42 now and have been gone for maybe 13 years. I don’t recognize the bikes anymore. Where are the lightweight hardtails? MTB seems to have completely changed while I’ve been away. Rather than a focus on aerobic conditioning combined with technical ability, it seems to be all about crashing downhill as fast as possible. The bikes all seem to be $3000 full suspension rigs with 160 mm travel. How do people ride these things? I’m not judging. I just feel like Rip Van Winkle here. I fell asleep when things were cool and woke up when some other generation took over. What happened?
Thanks for this article. I came across it while searching for other things MTB related. I am newish to the sport and got back into it about the time you wrote this article.
I am lucky enough to be part of a group who, I feel, does the things you are asking and as a new rider, I try my best to listen and lean. I can’t speak for others but for me it is about being out in nature, becoming a better rider and understanding there is a relationship with the land, and both, the relationship and the land, need to be protected.
So thank you for putting this out there. You got through to at least one new rider.
When a person is going so fast on a multi-use trail that they can’t safely stop in order to yeild… they are out of control. Up, down, or sideways! We should all be genuinely concerned for the safety of all trail users.
There are speed enforcement activities on multiple trails throughout the USA. Some are issuing citations. I’ve seen the park ranger checking rider speed on the single track in Jeffco. While it seemed out of place and irritated me, perhaps it’s becoming necessary. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
It’s not anyone’s right to behave recklessly on public land, this goes for all users.
Thanks for this. I started mountain biking in 1982 — have a stumpjumper serial nbr 218 or such. It used to be about exploration and solace — and damn, this is cool. I never raced or got seriously addicted, but never gave it up entirely either. Now I find myself increasingly on the sick of mountain bikers side of the coin. I am by no means a rules or safety freak — I gladly step off the trail to let them have their downhill fun (I like a bit myself). But the new cohort — I would say we — but I learned not to do this as a teenager — are increasingly pissing off landowners here in Idaho and pressing to get other users such as horseback riders (also done this my whole life, off and on) excluded. They remind me more and more of the dirt bikers we used to have trouble with cutting through fences and tearing up the hills — though now, ironically, the motorcyclists are apologetic when caught out, while the mountain bikers threaten to sue. For me the last straw was their support of weakening the Wilderness Act and serving interests long desiring to gain a wedge to break apart that amazing legislation that is so important to my state. Of course, it’s not really anything about mountain bikers per se, just a loss of an old culture, and a replacement by a slice of modern surburban culture. Occasionally I still run into the old timers and we commiserate.
Great article, Mike. I’ve appreciated your perspective for years on MTBR, and I find this article spot on. I’ve been riding mountain bikes since 1985, when there was alot of friction between MTB riders and other trail users. It took many years of trail advocacy (or which I have been a financial supporter as well as participant) to develop what have become the “rules of the trail”.
Basic courtesy and trail protocol seems to have given way to ignorance and the “me first” generation. When mixed with out of context riding style (Red Bull Rampage, North Shore, etc) on normal XC trails, it is a bad combination.
Don’t get me wrong – I have no problem with the young, flat-brim wearing, big travel crowd having their dedicated pump tracks and bike parks – have at it! But please consider context when riding outside of the park.
This means knowing the difference between unidirectional and multi-directional trails and riding accordingly . This also means learning and abiding by basic trail protocols.
Trail use is a privilege, not a right, and has always had a tenuous relationship with other trail users.
As a former rock climber, I know this phenomenon is not limited to Mountain Biking.
I do feel the trend towards creating dedicated parks and double diamond uni-directional trails is a good one. The rest of the issue is cultural.
I totally agree. Etiquette is an afterthought today. I was introduced to the sport on two separate occasions by two good friends in different areas. One of those friends almost immediately schooled me on the IMBA rules of the trail and I never forgot them. I have a blog myself and also tried to plant a reminder seed on this same subject.
A couple summers ago I was climbing on one of my local trails here in Spokane WA and encountered two female riders coming down the same trail. First thought that went through my mind was “Awesome…awesome that times have changed enough that women come out and enjoy this sport as well now…SWEET!” My little happy moment was marred when the lead chic sarcastically snipes, “Oh, don’t worry…we’ll stop for you” as she reluctantly yielded trail to the uphill rider…ME. I was suffering as I always do if the trail goes up so I didn’t catch the sarcasm until I was already past them and I caught myself thinking, “Hey…wait a minute! She was actually being shitty with me because she had to yield to me. Wow…apparently no one told her that was what was SUPPOSED to happen when a downhill rider and an uphill rider meet.”
Then there are the skidiots…and the short cutters…sigh. Yes…I indeed feel your pain as well. Thanks for the article though…it was a good read.
Where I ride, (Gaviota ca ) I almost NEVER see other MTBers. And, the trails tend to lend themselves to directional riding anyway. I do stay away from Gaviota peak, as it’s no longer a double track, but wide fire road, with a ton of hikers. If I saw someone flying down the hill, I’d get out of their way. My rides offer no shuttle, so you earned the downhill by climbing. Later
I ride alone. Gaviota area.
On numerous occasions my family have been hiking on a “hiking trail” and some bikehead has come flying down down the mountain and nearly ran over my kids or leashed dog and cussed us out for not watching out for them. These guys were not even allowed on the trail. No etiquette.
It’s amazing how entitled assholes feel about their right to mow down anyone who gets in their way.
If a trail is directional then it’s your responsibility to travel at a speed that enables you to stop safely.
It’s the outdoors, not an asshole’s personal play park.
Thank you for this. You’re right on. And sadly, it’s happening on so many outdoor activities. No longer is just being outdoors enough. I’ve fallen into the trap of going out there to “shred” and keep up with all the rippers. I recently had a pretty bad because I was going too fast and missed sight of what was really important. Your writing gave me permission to slow down and remember why being outside on my bike matters in the first place. My partner and I have a new plan for this summer because of your article.
It’s amazing how different everything looks when you cram too many folks onto one trail. Like so many other places, we are not the most gracious species when we’re convinced that on some level we need to compete for space or time. MTB trails are no different. When I ski on crowded slopes, I tend to try and pass everyone until I’m away from the madness, both for safety reasons and so I can return to my reasoning for doing it in the first place…to let go. When we choose to play in a crowded place, all we need to do is be cool towards each other and whatever the “etiquette” may be, we’ll probably sort things out ok. If we approach the same situations with a chip on our shoulder, we’ll more likely choose to perceive others with a bit of pent up hostility…not a good idea if we want to stake a claim to the higher ground around any of the issues listed in this article. We will continue to struggle, so let’s try to struggle together…that adjustment is typically all we need to make.
I also use the most modern equipment made possible by our globalized world, and I also complain about how other people have discovered this technology. I hate when humanity discovers the things I find fun.
I have been biking for 20+ years but I disagree with the argument in your essay.
Mountain biking has always been more of a frontier sport where people don’t follow rules and shred trails with little regard, that was part of the fun that attracted me to the sport 20 years ago.
If you want to escape trail centres and enjoy biking as you remembered it, nobody is stopping you.
You’ve got too old and nostalgic (like me)!
This article makes me mad. The author attacks people for everything from the cars they drive to the music they’re playing trying to paint some picture of dope smoking hooligans ruining the sport of mountain biking. Respect for trails and nature is always important but who says you can’t do that while also enjoying shredding technical descents? The author comes across as dismissive, dated, and out of touch with a younger generation of riders who are passionate about the same sport.
This has been an interesting read, both the article and the responses to the content contained.
I am an old school rider. Started riding and racing mountain bikes in the early 80s and have continued since that time.
Trail etiquette is something I have always been very aware of. Shared bike/hike/equestrian trails have rules in place for a reason. Safe use for all users.
Perhaps it is time to put into place something like the skiers code of conduct for trail use.
The first feature of the code of conduct should be the same. Stay in control. That is really what the bigger brakes and suspension really allow you to do. Stay in control.
I still treat other trail users the same as I did in the 80s and 90s. I slow down, greet them and maybe have a short chat and wish them a good day.
We should all try to leave other trail users a positive image of who we are and what our sport is about, being outdoors and having a little adventure.
1. I’ve never heard anyone complain there are too many MTBer’s in the sport. Isn’t that what we want? I think it’s kickass when I show to a group ride and there are like 20-30 people there. Maybe there’s more. Split ’em up. There’s bound to be levels in that group. Someone take charge and make turtles and rabbits and start in different sections of the trails. There are ways to deal with large groups.
2. Etiquette is eroding in most facets of society. So, you see it in MTB too. But to the point of the descending vs ascending riders. we yield to ascending riders because riding up is hard as f*&% sometimes. If some dude is ascending a 15% grade, yeah, I’m going to stop and let him do his thing because he’s focused. I can go around and hit that decent later. I also do it because I would hope someone would do it for me.
3. Erosion, skidding etc. The biggest thing that f’s up the trail is, nature. I’ve seen floods take out whole sections of trail. I’ve seen super baby-butt-smooth trail become rooty and rocky because we had basically two years of rain. I know someone on here will write me a essay about how skidding destroys the trails, but I’ve never seen where it’s such a big deal. It just tells me people are novices and have no bike control. Usually, there are enough riders riding that same spot it get it smoothed out quick.
4. We scares me more than anything is showing up on a Saturday or Sunday morning to the local trail head and there’s no one there. Or the Tuesday and Thursday night rides are cancelled because there was no interest.
Murder me now! I have no idea how I made it through so many dilusional comments…
Here’s a good idea, look to the Maritime industries “Rules of the Road”, we need a system, a logical system… Not an “Archaic Entiquitte” , but a system founded in Logic & Science.
Is it logical to require a rider which is maxing out his/her senses and abilities during a descent to safely stop and wait while an ascending rider passes clear?
Might sound good on paper but it is completely ludicrous to place a Black and White blanket rule on directional travel favoring the one with most manuverability. Who comes up with this nonsense?
And of all things there are dozens of people on this thread Paroting this idea.
Here are some Common sense items:
Don’t run/ride on trails with headphones on.
Don’t expect someone to move for you because they will have to pay your medical bills if they hit you.
If you see a freight train plowing down a trail don’t assume they see you.
Keep your head on a swivel
Don’t ASSUME they will stop, they can possibly encounter mechanical issues.
Yes you are special even with all your spandex, but aren’t we all special?
Total selfish response. You have gravity on your side which makes you way more dangerous. It’s safety and courtesy not your ego that rules the road.
Dude, it’s just a sport/hobby. Let people enjoy it they way they want to, and if you’re so much better than all those people and can’t stand to be around them, then go somewhere else. Seriously. What makes you the authority on what should be the “etiquette” and “morally acceptable” behavior on a dirt path through the woods? What in God’s name is morally unacceptable about trying to have some fun and going fast?
Some valid points but mostly pretentious nonsense. Things change and you’re just mad they’re doing so.
Full disclosure: I’m a 61-year-old, old-school, steel 29er-riding, retrogrouch baby-boomer curmudgeon (who btw has been MTBing since 1985)… so admittedly I may feel some (unfair) sense of entitlement to the sport that I’ve been a part of since the beginning, and may show a skewed bias against what I see as a new generation of banzai, big-hit freeridin’ hucksters who have hijacked the sport (perhaps an equally unfair assessment). I felt the same way about snowboarding… lose the half-pipe and aerobatic nonsense and bring back the giant slalom… REAL snowboarding… but I digress…
But kindly hear me out: Just the adventure of peddling over a challenging remote trail, (quietly) leaving as minimal a footprint as possible is what MTBing is still all about (at least to some of us). Climbing gives me as much satisfaction as descending, and picking a steep difficult line on my (fully rigid) Niner at slow speed is exciting enough for me… you HAVE to respect that.
Treading lightly on trails (my biggest beef) no longer seems important. To the new rider it seems to be all about speed and catching air… but I think it’s a shame to “gulp” a beautiful downhill trail, rather than to “savor” it… and it’s downright sacrilege to scar up beautiful mountain trails with man-made platforms, berms, and mounded motocross-like swaths, cut through pristine forest. Sorry hucksters, that’s blasphemy to many of you, but it IS a most UN-natural sight… And yet even I HAVE to respect that… You want to go fast, ride skinnies and huck big drops, then I say go for it. Just DON’T tell me there’s a NEW ETIQUETTE on the trails… “Care” and “consideration” have only singular definitions: RESPECT for OTHERS… period. It cuts both ways.
Wishing you all peace, love of riding and preserving the trails.
Thx. BB
This is very interesting. While there is a common thread that connects all mtb culture, I think there are differences in local cultures. For example I live in central Indiana. Mountain biking is reasonably popular here, at least insofar as the local trails are rarely empty, but not packed usually.
I’ve been riding for about 8 years, starting in my mid 20’s. I started out fairly casually but have become more serious about it over the last 2-3 years. From what I can tell, the mtb culture around here in the past was dominated by a smaller group of what I’ve heard some call dirt roadies -usually middle-aged men on very expensive bikes fully clad in lycra. In my experience they are the ones usually out there setting PRs and KOMs. I’ve had my share of encounters with them where they were quite unfriendly and have chatted with many hikers on the trails who have had similarly unfriendly encounters with mountain bikers.
For example, I sometimes hike back up certain parts of a trail to session a particular obstacle for practice (never more than 1 or 2 extra runs of a section of trail). Not because I’m trying to ‘shred the gnar’ or something like that, but simply to have more than one run at a jump or rock garden that I’m not feeling particularly skilled at without having to ride a miles long loop just for a second shot. When I do this I walk my bike, never ride, since the trail is directional, and always keep my eyes up and ears open so I have plenty of visibility to oncoming bikes and can move off the trail. Never have I been any more of an interference than a rider stopped for a mechanical issue, yet nearly every time I’ve been encountered by the typical rider as I described above, I get a snarled “you’re going the wrong way.”
When I see a rider off their bike on the trail my first reaction is to make sure they’re ok and see if they need any assistance. Maybe I can lend a tool or some first aid. My reaction is never anger or frustration that a fellow trail user impeded my ride. But I feel like that’s the most common reaction of the generation above me, many of whom were involved in advocating for the trails in the first place. It’s as if they feel a sense of ownership over the trails and don’t want to share. Sadly, I feel like the mtb culture in my local is not particularly friendly or welcoming. I feel encouraged when I see younger riders on the trail because they are usually the friendlier encounters I’ve experienced. Maybe it’s different in areas out West where mountain biking is much more prevalent, but largely this article reflects the opposite of what I see in my area. And to be clear, I am not suggesting the author falls into the category of riders I’m describing.
The culture of mtbing should be open, friendly and welcoming. It should be about blowing off steam in a healthy way, pushing yourself for personal growth and connecting with nature (and hopefully having some fun with friends too). So after reading this, maybe the author is right, maybe we’ve collectively gone astray, but if that’s the case I think it’s been to the extremes both left and right of center.
This guy, trying to make MTB only about long XC epics and ignoring Repack, BMX influence and DH races from the early 90’s on. We’ve always been here bro. 🙂
Also when you went by my lifted truck you didn’t look in the bed to see the shovel, rake, hedge trimmers and chainsaw next to the PBR and Red Bull. I wonder if you built and maintained the berms you’re complaining about us ‘endurbros’ roosting, because we do. I also wonder about the time spent writing this article vs volunteering at races or for the local trail advocacy group?
You bemoan a focus on strava times but since you never stop to talk to the bros you miss all the coaching on lines, technique, encouragement to push limits or when to stop pushing to avoid getting wadded up. And maybe even talks on trail manners. You shake your head at pre-ride red bulls or post ride PBRs but don’t realize that these are true social gatherings, real human connection. Instead you ride past and write an article on your computer.
Trail manners and trail advocacy are important, but current MTB culture isn’t the same thing as those. Shredding, building and engaging can and do all go together.
This sport is going to triple and maybe way more when eMtnBikes become crazy popular. Like the chair lift did for skiing and the golf cart did for golfing the eBike will change our sport for sure. It is time to start opening up Mtn Bike Resorts just like skiing and golf with the same amenities and maintance of facilities. Long one way trails with multiple trail options also including pump tracks, progressive jumps, rock gardens, creek crossings, drops, sand pits, steep climbs, an eBike race track, plus food and drinks with outdoor seating. Charge eBikers and organic bikers $25-50. per day and offer a season pass. Bring a live local band in on weekends and have a awesome day!
It’s pretty simple. If the trail isn’t single track then you need to be responsible for your actions especially if you are blasting downhill. In order for everyone to enjoy the trails in different ways you have to be in control all the time. Even if it’s a mountain bike single track you have to be in control to avoid potential hazards that might pop up.
My favorite part of this essay is in the first paragraph. “All in the name of recharging the spirit within.” These new riders have yet to be baptized by the spirit of the mountain bike. They have never ridden 20 miles out from the trail head to be stranded without a tube. They have never used a compass and a map to navigate slick rock. They have never experienced v-brakes, ceramic rims, or 26 x 2.0 tires.
As thankful as I am for today’s technology, I must admit the uncertain future is unsettling. Hungry corporate bike companies push for more sales while the number of less conscious and unskilled riders increases. These are uncharted waters for all of us.
I would love to pass on the “spirit within,” but I’ve found it increasingly difficult. When I started riding in the 90s, I didn’t know what the future would look like. I only knew I loved to ride, and it could be better. The future is here, and I simply hope new riders will appreciate the work that has been done to get us here.
Yes a lot of people suck. That’s why we seek to get away from other humans.
In case anyone doesn’t already know this, all Land Management Agency (BLM, USFS, State Parks, etc.) rules clearly state that uphill traffic has the right-of-way, except in cases of directional trails. DUH! Cover of last month’s DUH! Magazine. That people are even debating this is ridiculous. I don’t like stopping at the stop sign at the end of my street (they could honestly change it to a yield sign), but because I signed up to be a driver in society, I have to follow the rules whether I agree with them or not. Or lobby to change them. But NOT just do what I want to do because I disagree with stated rules, putting everyone else’s safety at risk. C’mon people, what gives here??!? (Oh, and by the way – it’s not about better bike technology making us faster on the trail – my middle-aged a$$ will whip all but the fastest of you trail-rule-ignorant egojockey turdholes on a *full rigid* 29+ EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK 😉 )
Otherwise, we all ride for our own reasons; mine aren’t better than yours and vice-versa, so please quit with the judging at this level.
Now, get out and ride! And shred! And suffer uphill! And get lost in the backcountry! And clear your head! And muddle it up! WHATEVER!! Just don’t complain that you have to stay in control and yield to uphill traffic, hikers/runners, and horses. If you do…..
KRAMPUS IS COMING
I guess I’m fortunate, I played college football and have stayed on the weights since then (early nineties). I also love endurance sports and mtb. I once had a freak mechanical and had to walk my bike back around 5 miles to the parking lot. One of these super douches came railing on a downhill at me, feeling all entitled and out of control, there was plenty of room for him to have gone around if he’d been riding within his limits, but he wasn’t so he hit me, and bounced off, over the side of a 3-4 ft pitch. When he got up he was all, ‘dude…’ While I’m fortunately built for such encounters the fact is. instead of me it could have been a kid or a dog or an old lady that this dummy could’ve hurt seriously. You kids today are so entitled in your outlook on life… pfffffff
Please see my latest reply. I agree you should always ride in your limits and in no way should anyone be going faster than what they can handle. Nor do I bomb down a multiuse trail (I don’t even ride on those anyways). As common sense as it should be to evade the slower moving trail user, it is going to happen by other trail users and the only thing that may be possible to avoid a Collision is for you to move. in no means was that experience you fault though.
Pretty decent number of responses! You’ve struck a cord. People, more people, crowds, stress, dehumanization via media, and the disconnectedness generated through gaming, apps, and cellphones. It all adds up to people not connecting with people, less respect, tolerance, and unrelated I think, less respect for nature and the trails.
I quit reading halfway through when I realized you seem like a judgemental elitist. This comment was the end for me, “Has our demographic gone completely batshit in the past few years..” The demographic may have change somewhat, but that doesn’t make it bad. Get over yourself and the pedestal you put yourself on.
Absolutely, we need to care for our trails, our planet, and each other. On the other hand, mountain biking’s genesis is about breaking the mold, finding our own line, seeking adventure off the beaten path, and indeed for many of us, connecting with nature and communing with ourselves. Individuality helped us define a sport, and it continues to evolve it. Taking a snapshot of one time period (pick your favorite era) in our sport’s short history and calling that the “culture” is not only counter to the soul of the sport itself but counter to the undeniable way of the world: change. Can change bring new challenges? Absolutely. Does it also bring positives? Indeed. Our mission as caring individuals that are part of the cycling and global community is to continue to find ways to care for each other, to build connections, and to perpetuate our species while contributing to a meaningful existence for all. Ride on.
I entirely agree . It has changed in the 30 odd years ive been riding . The 90s were by far the best years in my opinion .
Been there, done that. Entitled selfish tards will be entitled selfish tards, whether they are mountain biking, snowboarding, driving a car, riding the subway or walking down the sidewalk. The truth is that there are FEWER mountain bikers today than there were a decade ago – industry statistics state that mountain bike sales are off 15% versus their peak at that time. Sadly on my local trails we are now battling e-bikes… and a wave of new riders who not only don’t understand trail etiquette, but don’t even understand trail access rules. Even reading some of the responses to your editorial, it is clear that some riders just don’t “get it” and refuse to be enlightened – because it has never occurred to them to put the interests of nature, or the trail, or other riders, before their own self-interest. I am appalled that someone even had the balls to come on this site and argue whether downhill traffic has a responsibility to yield to uphill traffic – pretty much the golden rule of sharing trails with ANYONE. Sadly I feel that you are wasting your breath. Good bikers already understand what you are saying… and bad bikers never will because they aren’t interested.
Wow! Lot of diverse responses here. Very much 1st world problems being complained about. I‘Ve been Mtn biking since 1986 and can honestly say the biking only gets better every year. Better trails, better bikes and more information on how to find trails with crowd sourced apps. Modern all mountain bikes on modern flow trails are amazing, and if you want old school tech trails with few people, it usually only takes a little searching to find that experience. Each decade of riding has had memorable and unique changes, but some of the best rides of my life were last summer. There’s plenty of room for all of us, you may just need to adjust your compass and change course a little….
Let’s call it what it is — people behaving like self-focused douchebags, trying to impress each other by how much sh#t they can carry with them everywhere they go. I don’t see so much of this in Montana, but I do see the odd DB on their cell phone at the trailhead parking area. I ride from my doorstep or my office building as often as I can.
I don’t try to race myself or anyone else (A stupid endeavor), but rather, give myself a good workout while looking at Nature’s beauty…
That is why I ride the really nasty rock gardens because 99% of the fake mtb riders can’t ride what I ride and I’m 62 and an ext enduro champ and trials moto rider most bike riders I know are dopers and boozers
Haha! Love your comment. You would love remote WV. If you’re ever in the area, look me up. http://www.ridebeer.com
I only started riding a few years ago and had a great mentor. Etiquette was one of the first things we talked about as we slowly worked out way up technical climbs and rock gardens. I find myself actually downgrading technology and have just purchased an older hardtail SS just to have a simpler more mindful experience on the trail. Give me a good rocky, technical trail over a big air flow trail any day.
Thanks for reaching out to others.
It’s not near what I’m dreaming.
I just a sixth grader, but who said I can’t have big dreams.
I don’t know what to say other than a simple,
Thanks.
Ha! I love all you MTBers. I’m a roadie and just going to throw it out there, be thankful! You only need to create a system of etiquette and respect amongst yourselves…fellow MTB folk. If you want some perspective jump on some skinnies and see how you get treated on the road.
I’m a 4 year mountain biker and I understand where you’re coming from, but it takes time for major changes to happen. also I gathered about 15 people to join the sport and they are hooked. so we good
Downieville Downhill, CA
My family goes back to the 1920’s in this area, from mule supply trains to miners, to upkeep and improvement of existing mining claims. The main trails in this area stayed virtually undisturbed until this ‘craze’ got its legs and turned a once-unknown region into what I have come to term as a ‘Disneyland’ ride… The serenity and uniqueness of the area is now commercialized and ‘used’ like a cheap whore.
And that is just the visual aspect.
The trails have also been turned into a game of Russian Roulette in terms of safety for hikers. I cannot count the number of times coming up (and down) various divides where I and family members had mere seconds to jump out of the way of oncoming riders who had absolutely no way of stopping or even slowing down in time to avoid what would surely have been a serious injury situation, and likely worse given the speed they are traveling. Worse yet, is that it is a constant stream of this from 8 AM ’til sundown – making it virtually impossible anymore to hike these trails during the daylight hours with any margin of safety (peace & serenity be damned), or eating mouthfuls of dust, both.
Not being a proponent of ‘banning’ or excess/unneeded/unwarranted laws, regulations, etc., my wish is for this group (and it is a large one, with plenty of available $funding if they so chose), to find a remote area in the nearby mountains (there are plenty of them), pool their $resources, get approval from the BLM and build their own trail/s —- exclusively for themselves… Mountain biking Only. Problem solved. Do it before someone gets seriously hurt enough to bring the nanny-state in and do it for you; most likely in a manner that restricts, rather than expands your enjoyment of mountain biking.
The soil erosion worry is a joke. Where I live in pa. The public land is all rotationally timbered with giant machinery leaving the forest looking like a bomb went off. Yet over time the forest reclaims most of the logging roads and trails. The idea that a mountain biker is going to erode all the soil in the east is a bad joke. Secondly, without trail users we quickly have no trails at all. One storm and trails are covered with downed trees. We dont have enough trail users to keep the trails open as it is now. Thirdly, look where the best maintained trail systems are. Most are by cities. It’s simple people make and keep trails, without people the trails disappear. Your article is all about a dislike for people and carries an arrogance that suggest you should be the only trail user and your trail preferences are the only one that matters. As you mentioned you were heading out to blow off some steam after a stressful day. It seems to me you directed that frustration and weariness on others.
I think the solution is more “parks”, well groomed big and wide with fun features and a pub that sells IPAs. All the shredders in their vans will flock there, and that will free up the hand-carved single tracks and trails hidden behind a long climb for the old-school guys/gals.
I think your article is a selfish stand disguised with a fakey righteous trail stewardship facade….
OK – You were a pioneer of Mtn. Biking. Here’s a medal.
You aren’t in charge of public land, mister. The rest of us have discovered the awesome sport of Mtn. Biking….and many of us DO volunteer to help maintain the trails…..when we’re not dating your daughter.
I liked your article. As a 55 year old mountain biker/bike packer/lover of solitude and nature I understand. I’ve been mountain biking for 30 years or so and have seen the changes to the sport. Sport for me would be the wrong word as I don’t compete I seek out the trails others can’t or won’t ride. My challenge is within myself and with the trails. Take golf for example – you compete against the course not others. Your score may be better but how was the journey. You may want to try bike packing to escape the groups of individuals who are trying for their PB. I race myself to find the best photo, the sound of silence and the lack of cell phone coverage. Enjoy the journey and find yourself lost in nature and the wonderful spots this sport can bring you to. See you out there.
With time we all get to be grumpy old men.
It wasn’t like that in my day.
Youth of today!
Things around us change and move on, while old men become entrenched and embittered.
Enjoy your ride, find the space you need and push the pedals.
Nice read.. Thanks for sharing buddy, well written..
Just wish the comment submission was above the comments some scrolling in an iPhone;)
The comments and overall feel of this topic is characteristic of our planet today. The human race is a liability. Pointing fingers in any direction is a distraction from the real problem, us. There is no fix. The human race will eventually come to an end. The trails we build will once again returned to the earth to grow, flourish and you will never know we were here.
I wish there was a solution, a motivation that would put the brakes on and turn things around. Maybe, accepting the people around you as they are. My opinion of others is irrelevant and just a distraction of the chaos that is inside of me. Lead by example and say nothing. Be at peace with yourself and know our brothers and sisters are suffering from the same thing we all do.
Get out and have some fun. Do your best. Be nice to each other. Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. Enjoy the NOW that is why they call it the present. Happy trails.
I appreciated reading this essay. In my county, the main local mountain biker group constantly and loudly complains that they’re being “discriminated” against if they don’t get their way on every single issue relating to local recreation. They seem personally insulted by the idea of any trail being hiker-only or any park being reserved for hiking.
It’s incredibly frustrating to see them–a small group of very loud, very rich, and very well-connected people–posturing like this using the language of social justice. The arrogance and entitlement that they have is astounding as well as their complete lack of consideration for the well-being of hikers and the effect that they have on the environment.
I know that there are plenty of mountain bikers out there who respect the rules, do a lot of trail maintenance, and understand the need to share public spaces. But the groups who seem most interested in representing mountain bikers aren’t doing the sport many favors.
Sadly, there are also those mountain bikers out there whom us other mountain bikers like to call Stravaholes, bikers who have no consideration for the hikers, equestrians, or lower skilled mountain bikers ahead of them, and who don’t care what kind of damage they do to the trail as long as they get the best possible time.
Mountain biking attracts all sorts of people, some good, some great, others…not so much. I’m glad to be a part of a local group in Idaho who respects the rules of the trail.
Omg my sport isn’t just for upper class whites people anymore. There are people faster than me now…… something is wrong!!!’ Everything is worse! I’m the only one who knows how to ride so they are just wrong. Go play golf if you want everyone to be the same
It’s one thing to be faster. That’s fine. It’s a completely different thing to not only be faster, but blast by anyone in front of you on singletrack without warning or regard for their safety or skill level. Whenever I pass by someone slower than me, I slow down and let them know I’m there, and wait for them to pull off so I can pass safely. As I’ve said, stravaholes are those riders who have no consideration for slower or less skilled riders or other trail users. They are determined to get the best possible time at all costs, even if it damages the trail or ruins the sport’s reputation and risks trail closures.
All true enough and good to mark the milestones of evolution even if they are obvious already to a majority of the folks commenting here. BUT, the article assumes that the sport is built on something fundamentally valuable, progressive and full of some spiritual or human potential that could be going somewhere else. Adults purchasing $5k bikes to spend time ‘recharging’. In that sentence the ‘recharging’ part maybe resonates even if it is the most subjective part of the sentence. The other parts are actually truisms that might cause more defensiveness than reflection. No cake and eat it too. We critical of degree here. Taken to a further end the question becomes the same that many older hikers or the anthropomorphized deer has “why do these people have to ride bikes on these trails?” What happened to being in nature and finding solace without gears and wheels and speed and… There is an amazing disconnection that is happening in the human world, imo. Its all over the place, politics, environment, socioeconomics etc. And Mtn Biking too. How could/would it be otherwise. The irony of non polluting EBike technology meant to lead to opportunities for cleaner commuting but simultaneously resulting in introducing motors to trails. Look deeper.
Hi Daniel, all terrific points. But don’t forget, many of us who love mountain bikes are also avid, dedicated slow-moving hikers too.
Yes. I get that Justin. I appreciate the accountability the article is trying to elicit and am partly just being a mr smarty pants in my comment/reply.
try reading a guide for the perplexed by e.f. schumacher